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  • Gamedezyner
    Gamedezyner closed this thread because:
    This obviously isn't the solution
    23:48, April 23, 2019

    Hello everyone! It's time to vote on the new policy update.

    Please take a moment to read the draft and post a vote using the templates in the instructions below.

    Global Rules

    1. All articles must maintain proper use of English and grammar, regardless of what language the user speaks.
    2. All articles must meet standards at the time of posting. Do not post articles that do not meet standards, even if you intend to add to them later.
    3. No pornographic, erotic, or fetish content is allowed, even if it’s censored or cropped.
    4. Art theft is strictly prohibited. This includes:
      • Recolored artwork
      • Traced artwork
      • Otherwise modified artwork
      • Outright stolen characters
    5. Don’t argue with staff. Disagreement is one thing, however, staff decisions are final.
    6. Permanent bans will result in deletion of any pages that you own.
    7. Staff may swiftly delete articles they deem to be offensive or in bad taste.

    Article Standards

    All articles on the wiki must follow the below guidelines. Whether or not a specific article meets the requirements will be determined by the community and ultimately the staff. Any ambiguation regarding these rules will be decided by staff, and the standards may be updated to reflect the result.

    All Articles

    All articles must have a minimum of 2 paragraphs of information. On a bare minimum page, each paragraph must contain at least two sentences of meaningful information.

    Characters

    Character articles must have the following information:

    • Appearance - Either a section describing the character or an image
    • Personality - Tell us about the character

    Crossover characters are allowed, however, they must maintain a strong tie to the Sonic universe.

    Objects

    Items, Weapons, Tools

    Articles about inanimate objects must have the following information:

    • Appearance - What does it look like?
    • Function - What does it do?

    Places

    Cities, Towns, Buildings

    Articles about places must have the following information:

    • Appearance - What does it look like? Include either a description or an image.
    • Location - Where is it?

    Groups

    Races, Nations, Cultures, Religions, Organizations

    Articles about groups must have the following information:

    • Description - What is the group?
    • Membership - Who is in the group?

    Skills

    Attacks, Abilities, Techniques, Powers

    Articles about skills must have the following information:

    • Description - What is it? How does it work?
    • Advantages - What advantage does it give?
    • Disadvantages - Are there any drawbacks? Weaknesses?

    Fanfiction

    Stories

    Articles about fanfiction stories must have the following information:

    • Author - Who wrote it?
    • Synopsis - What is it about?
    • Link(s) - Link to the story sub-page(s)


    Fanfiction articles are for summarizing stories and linking to them. The actual fanfiction stories should be posted on sub-pages of the main article.

    Roleplays

    Roleplay welcome pages must have the following information:

    • Summary - A summary of the scenario surrounding the roleplay
    • Participants - A list of participating characters (and owners)
    • Availability - Is the roleplay private or free-join?
    • Link(s) - Link to the roleplay sub-page(s)

    Roleplay articles are for summarizing the roleplay and linking to its parts. The actual roleplaying should be posted on sub-pages of the main article.

    Crossovers

    In addition to meeting the above standards, crossover content must:

    • Maintain a strong connection to the Sonic universe
    • Not be a direct transplant from another fandom

    Some content may not meet these requirements. If that is the case, you should create or link to a page on a more relevant fandom’s wiki instead.

    Please note, I will delete comments that are irrelevant or contain no useful discussion. If you like it, you can support it. If you dislike it, say why and what you would do differently.

    Remember that any page that is deleted can always be un-deleted by a staff member.


    This is a voting thread.

    Use {{Voting/Yes}} if you agree.
    Use {{Voting/No}} if you disagree.

    Votes that do not use the templates will not be counted.

    Users who voted FOR
    1. User:Gamedezyner
    2. User:Spyken
    3. User:Ami670
    4. User:Lil Draco
    5. User:Kyle Brackman
    6. User:Nintendon't
    7. User:HauntedAlchemist
    8. User:Winduct
    9. User:Fu_Meiyu's_Lullaby
    10. User:RabbidSquirrelz
    11. User:DramonKiller53
    Users who voted AGAINST
    1. User:Skyblade743
    2. User:Julia Finitevus
    3. User:CrimsonFlame2K
    4. User:MaxIrvaron
    5. User:Timesmashaperil
    6. User:Wikikinetic
    7. User:Disgustedorite
    8. User:Akrivus
    9. User:XophPsycho
    Voting is currently: OPEN

    Voting will remain open until 05/01/2019

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    • And of course I'm going to start by saying
      I vote YES on this.
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    • Users who voted AGAINST

      While they’re decent rules I’m wondering if we need more bureaucracy when the current standards work pretty much fine. Also, still against the fanfiction and skills rules.

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    • Seems legit to me.
      I vote YES on this.
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    • You can't post a partial vote. What about fanfiction don't you like?

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    • I don't see why we have to make sub-pages if it isn't long. That's my problem with it.

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    • Gamedezyner wrote:You can't post a partial vote. What about fanfiction don't you like?

      I updated my vote. I’ve already made it clear what I don’t like about those rules.

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    • I vote YES on this.
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    • Two things that are not clear for me: What are traced images and what do you mean by "bad taste"? Also, I dont see how this is a new policy. I thought all these measures were already in effect, most of them at least.

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    • Changing my vote to a neutral vote now.

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    • I vote YES on this.
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    • Juely wrote:
      Two things that are not clear for me: What are traced images and what do you mean by "bad taste"? Also, I dont see how this is a new policy. I thought all these measures were already in effect, most of them at least.

      Traced images are where you take an existing image and draw over the lines to create the sketch or lineart for your art. It's considered a type of art theft, though afaik images in the public domain (including bases) are okay.

      I believe "bad taste" refers to pages that are intentionally or blatantly bad, gross, or inappropriate, including pages created to attack others.

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    • Users who voted AGAINST
      It's kind of ridiculous to make us make subpages for short stories. If it weren't for that, I would be completely fine with these new-ish standards.
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    • Julia Finitevus wrote: It's kind of ridiculous to make us make subpages for short stories.

      I hardly see how it's ridiculous to say you should have an article that outlines your story, and then host it on a separate page. No other fandom does it the way we do. Go to any other fan wiki and you'll see articles about specific episodes of a TV show, movie, book, or other, and they will have a description about what happens in it. What they won't have, however, is the entire content of the episode.

      Many fandoms have links to where you can find said content, though. My personal belief is that this content shouldn't even be on the wiki in the first place, but since it makes up most of the activity here, a good compromise is a simple "Click here to read the story" option, where the actual story is on a page one layer deep.

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    • Just "because other wikis do it" doesn't describe the flaws with how it currently is however. I like the fanfiction lay out - if it's long, make subpages, if it's short, put it all on one page.

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    • I would consider lack of consistency between pages to be a flaw.

      Even if these changes were put in place, it isn't like someone's going to go deleting short stories because of this. If anything, someone would just move the content to a subpage for you.

      There is a fairly heavy support for making things consistent when it comes to roleplays and fanfiction, since right now there is almost zero consistency with how those types of pages are handled.

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    • I vote YES on this.
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    • Does anyone actually read?

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    • I vote NO on this.
      I'm sorry, Game, but I'll have to agree with Shulk, Max, and Julia on this one.
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    • I changed my vote cause honestly I'm not sure how to fix the points Shulk, Max and Julia brought up.

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    • Gamedezyner wrote:

      Julia Finitevus wrote: It's kind of ridiculous to make us make subpages for short stories.

      I hardly see how it's ridiculous to say you should have an article that outlines your story, and then host it on a separate page. No other fandom does it the way we do. Go to any other fan wiki and you'll see articles about specific episodes of a TV show, movie, book, or other, and they will have a description about what happens in it. What they won't have, however, is the entire content of the episode.

      Many fandoms have links to where you can find said content, though. My personal belief is that this content shouldn't even be on the wiki in the first place, but since it makes up most of the activity here, a good compromise is a simple "Click here to read the story" option, where the actual story is on a page one layer deep.

      Have you seen how big the summary format can get sometimes? It's easily on the level of a fanfiction that was written straight up. Compare A Different Kind of Normal and any given section from Dimitri Chronicles: Flames of Courage, the two are pretty much the same length despite different formats. Also, personally, it's just not a whole lot of fun to write.

      So if they weren't here, what exactly would be here? OCs? There's an entire wiki for that. Fan games and roleplays? The pages are just as big as the fanfiction pages. I really don't understand what you're getting at here.

      Gamedezyner wrote: I would consider lack of consistency between pages to be a flaw.

      Even if these changes were put in place, it isn't like someone's going to go deleting short stories because of this. If anything, someone would just move the content to a subpage for you.

      There is a fairly heavy support for making things consistent when it comes to roleplays and fanfiction, since right now there is almost zero consistency with how those types of pages are handled.

      It's a fanon wiki. Everyone is going to write things how they want to write things. It is not hard to attribute things to users, just look at the history and see who edited it most. Consistency shouldn't be an issue. And besides, most of the time the writers here keep to the Wiki's formal style as far as I can see.

      Which is exactly the problem. What is going to be on the main page exactly? The synopsis? Why do you need a synopsis for a short story you can read in less than 30 minutes? Whoa, deja vu.

      Gamedezyner wrote: Does anyone actually read?

      Do you actually think trying to offend us will make us vote for your stuff?

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    • Do you actually think trying to offend us will make us vote for your stuff?

      I was talking about people not using the voting templates even though the instructions are clearly stated.

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    • Apologies. My mistake.

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    • Julia Finitevus
      Julia Finitevus removed this reply because:
      I need to think on this more.
      22:16, April 21, 2019
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    • So... what happens now?

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    • Gamedezyner wrote: Voting will remain open until 05/01/2019

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    • I saw. I'm asking if anything is going to be done about the subpage issue. Also, Crimson voted against these new standards, so you should probably update the list of voters when you get the chance.

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    • Oof, just realized I haven't actually voted. Feel like I'm fighting a losing battle, but:

      I vote NO on this.
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    • I have an idea that might help solve this issue, but I'll have to talk to a friend of mine about it first.

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    • I'm afraid I must vote NO on this.

      I don't particularly mind having standards for articles to meet, far from it, but I just can't agree with all of them, mostly the ones for fanfiction.

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    • I vote YES on this.
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    • I vote NEUTRAL on this.
      I don’t have any problems with our current policy, but this new one seems alright.
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    • I vote YES on this.
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    • The OG Fu Meiyus Lullaby
      The OG Fu Meiyus Lullaby removed this reply because:
      You’ll see
      15:52, April 23, 2019
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    • I vote NO on this.

      I see rules as a means to strengthen communities and to help achieve the community's priorities. The rules being considered here seem to be motivated by one particular vision of the ideal wiki, rather than by a good deal of what the contributors want from the community. If these were offered as suggestions rather than as rules, they could be quite helpful; I, for one, got a large amount of use out of Smash's writing guide when I first joined the wiki. Taken as rules, however, I think that these would be more likely to harm than to help the community, in this case by adding bureaucracy and by taking away time and attention from what the aforementioned contributors would consider more social and constructive pursuits. As such, I disagree with this proposal.

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    • I vote NO on this.

      I have to agree with Wikikinetic. I think it may be important to note that when suggestions were open, my own idea to loosen the rules on which sections need to be filled (with only appearance being specifically required) was shot down with no comment.

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    • I vote YES on this.
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    • I vote YES on this.
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    • Hi,

      I understand the importance of quality, especially in a place with a history like ourselves, and to be fair, I probably would've voted for these updates a few years back, but in the mindset I have of this place today, these revisions aren't the solution. We really shouldn't be adding more bureaucratic barriers to a small community like ours that is already struggling to gain new, regular users.

      These proposals are not only unnecessary but rank with blatant distrust in the community's ability to make content that is pleasing to read and look at. It also severely neglects the creative expression that makes our pages here unique, not "good" necessarily, but unique.

      Furthermore, and this is my own gut feeling, standardizing the content here makes us feel less like a wiki and more like a catalog, as though we're just jotting down descriptions and other arbitrary bits of metadata to be fed to a computer and not a person.

      I vote NO on this.
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    • Winduct
      Winduct removed this reply because:
      Spam
      16:56, April 23, 2019
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    • Here's my stance on all this: I think after this initial voting period, the new rules could be revised with the community's feedback in mind to be more appealing, less standardized and a bit more lax and open to interpretation.

      Personally, I agree with the others that its unecessary for short stories to be on subpages and propose this: if a story is around an average length the community deems suitable for a short story, it can remain on a single page, while longer stories are broken into subpages. This could possibly also apply to roleplays, but due to their unpredictability I wouldn't count on it. Also paragraph-long summaires should not be necessary for something short.

      Another thing that Dorite and I had discussed on the Discord server is the required headers. Our idea is that the most important header should required, and others are recommended but not necessary so long as there is sufficient information.

      So that all being said, until the rules are revised to address the community's concerns,

      I vote NO on this.
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    • I vote YES on this.

      Honestly, we need to clean up this garbage.

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    • I vote YES on this.
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    • Due to the excessive negative feedback on this, I'm going to close it and try to work up a different solution.

      </drama>

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