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  • I'm estimating around 200% (2 x base power) to 250% (2.5x) because of these reasons:

    -First, with your characters, I'd argue that Smash would need more than a 1.5x boost to handle that Dark Spirit Bomb Krink threw at him in the Shadow Crystal Cloud Tournament.

    -Though it may be non-canon to you now, you can also see that when both Smash was in HT, he had the advantage over Frederick by quite a margin - Frederick had to resort to using his absorbed High Terror to compete (though this could also indicate that it's an addition boost instead of a multiplicative one, for Smash and Fred were around the same level).

    -I'm pretty sure Inverse David did something whack in Odyssey. I'll get back to you when I know the details. EDIT: So, Inverse David's big moment was with IV Inferna when they were attacking Velious to stall him, right? Velious seems to be as powerful as V, who was able to take base Smash on, along with a few others. If we consider Smash + others to just be 200% than the him alone, then I think it's safe to say that David, actually able to really daamge Velious, would at least get that type of boost from HT. (I'm assuming he got a little rage/desperation boost in there, too. Man, IV David was awesome.)

    -Super forms are a 1000% boost. Without an Emerald source, they're only a 250% boost. Considering that Max, raw power-wise and not considering skill, was near equal to Pearl when in base. So, when he went Super, she was arguably forced to go into High Tension (Even though he asked her to stop holding back, even when she was in HT, she still took a considerable amount of damage from his punch)

    -For mine, which doesn't really matter, the main arguing point is that if HT Season 1 Mac is 3/4 as strong as Season 1 Ken, then we're going to use Luna and Ken as our main factors. If Luna is 20, Ken is 10, and Mac is (I did the math) 7.4. Then, by doing 7.4 divided by 200-250%, that puts Base Mac at 3.7 at max and 2.96 at least. The math all adds up - Even during Mac and Luna's first encounter (where Mac didn't have HT), Luna was about 4 times stronger than him - to be exact, 5.4 times.

    -EDIT: Another thing I remembered - when Fa-La-La-La Stu used Chaos Mimic and used her own type of HT, then she might not have been able to best Gizmo, but there were two factors - A) Gizmo and Kitty relied on tech, not strength, and B) Chaos Mimic might not have the same potency as the original technique.

    Based on this evidence, I'd say my estimation is close, but considering you created this, what do you think? 

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    • okay whoa whoa okay slow down there

      i'm seeing this new message literally 3 minutes before my bedtime and you're asking me to calculate power levels. Catching me off guard doesn't even begin to describe this lmao.



      Okay so FIRST of all, The original version of the Shadow Crystal Cloud Tournament is ancient, outdated and non-canon and you should only take whatever you see there with a grain of salt or two.

      Second, any advantages Smash and Pearl may have gained throughout their battles using High Tension can't only be credited to their respective power boosts. There are other factors involved such as strategy, skill and technique. Even if Max was technically much stronger than Pearl during that match since he was super and she was just in High Tension, the fact that she was able to keep up with him was very much due to the fact that she knew what she was doing.

      Similarly, there was a battle between Smash and (I forget the guy's name, it's been so long) on a forum that's long since been taken down in which the circumstances were almost identical. The other guy went super and tried to simply overpower Smash, but Smash was able to keep up with him by predicting his moves and effectively countering, sometimes using the guy's own momentum against him. And he won--In his normal state. This was before I had even thought up the concept of High Tension. My point being, experience and proper training go a long way.

      Thirdly, I don't know where you got the information on the percentage of super form power levels, so I think it's safe to assume that it's a headcanon. It's not something that I follow; if you've noticed I've never explicitly stated what anyone's exact level of strength was. But if I were to go by those rules, it seems plausible. I'd probably have to think about it in greater detail if I really wanted to be serious about the numbers adding up, but as an estimate it's fair.



      And finally, lol frederick. Didn't you know, all of Sonicfan919's characters sucked when it came to fighting? It doesn't matter how strong Frederick became, he was still really bad. It's also kind of a trend with his characters that, when they're clearly outmatched they pull a random move that was never implied to be an ability they could or should be able to use, right out their butt. Krinkinko's Dark Spirit Bomb and Frederick's copy abilities are prime examples that you yourself listed. Heck, the only time I ever lost a battle to one of his characters was when I literally threw in the towel because I wanted to seem fair and not OP. Again, take those battles with a grain of salt.

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    • Hah. Frederick.

      I'm sorry for butting in, but seeing Frederick mentioned makes me chuckle every single time.

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    • He should.

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    • Okay, good points.

      First, I got the 1000% increase part from the original Mario vs Sonic Death Battle, but after further research, it seems like the boost is actually closer to 27,000,000,000,000,000 x their base power. I do have the fact that Max is a human, so his body can only channel so much strength, but it seems like it's only a headcanon now.

      So, if you've debunked nearly all of my points, here's my question - what is its multiplier? (Also how did IV David get enough strength to really harm Velious?)

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    • Hey, didn't I say that there was no official statistic multiplier? I honestly don't list stats like that because I'd rather leave it up for interpretation. You interpreted that it was roughly a 2x power boost, let's leave it at that. But I can't fault you for properly analyzing the different things in my series for information.

      The main thing you should know about High Tension is that it's different for Smash and his family so it's not exactly a fair comparison to begin with. With High Tension's power, generally people who use it start off with a perfect balance of power and control over their own life energy. Meaning that the type of energy bursts and skills that Smash uses would have come naturally to anyone else. However, if they had 50% power and 50% control in the beginning, then any Corliss would start off with 75% power and 25% control. This is the reason why Smash couldn't hold the form up for any significant amount of time until he was trained by someone who'd mastered High Tension already. Until then he had to make do with what he had and focus on developing the form as a whole to make it last longer.

      That being said, it may also be safe to assume that everyone has a different sort of multiplier, depending on the person. One could have 200% base power, another could have 175%, and another could have 225%. But one thing's for sure, the balance in power and control is normally very consistent.

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    • yes, properly analyzing, not stalking in any way, shape or form

      Anyway, thanks for the info! I was just curious.

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    • And lastly, Velious wasn't completely unhurtable--just nigh untouchable if you catch my drift. But if you read that far you might have noticed that Thunder and Lightning's surprise attack nearly caught him off guard, to which he commented "That was a close call." which definitely implied that an attack likely much weaker than what IV David pulled out would still have really hurt.
      That aside, while I don't fully understand how Velious survived/avoided the Sacred Fist, we don't know exactly how IV David got to be that powerful. That was like, High Tension level 3 or something--which kind of makes sense as to why it killed him; he'd used up literally everything in him. But that scene's purpose other than making a sacrifice was meant to make you think about how strong our David could have been had he lived.

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    • So, a High Tension III could kill someone? Interesting... man, I love David. RIP.

      (I think this calls for an Odyssey reread.)

      Do you ever plan to do more with David and Sarah, or even Smash's children?

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    • Well there's gotta be a limit to it right? Overusing High Tension is already dangerous for one's health. Pushing it that far could definitely be lethal. and David would have been fully aware.

      (I'm definitely rereading it myself whenever I got the time, but mainly because I'm also rewriting it for my series canon.)

      Oh, definitely. I've planned to come up with a whole backstory for them for some time now but I haven't really gotten much further than misc. ideas swimming around in my head.

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    • I'd also imagine that if you were to combine HT w/other forms of ergokinesis, it could potentially change it, right? I was asking, because Mac is also an electrokinetic, and if he was able to fuse his energy + pure electricity, it'd be interesting if an alternate timeline version of him could create another route to the HT path.

      (Odyssey has to be one of the SFW's greatest roleplays of all time. Like, seriously, Shadow Crystal Cloud and The Battle for Ultimate Soul Calibur might have been... unique, but Odyssey was just all around good. It's really enjoyable to read.)

      Seeing one of Smash's children in a Gohan or Goten type of role would legitimately be hype. But... they're all like four to eight, right?

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    • It's not out of the realm of possibility.

      (Shadow Crystal Cloud and Ultimate Soul Cailber can't even hold a candle to Odyssey. It's literally like comparing ripe apples to rotten oranges.)



      I HAVE thought of that in some form of future arc type of setting but there isn't likely gonna be anything coming out of that anytime soon.

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    • YAY! My mind's going to go bonkers with that!

      (True, true. I wonder if in five years, Secret Discord is gonna be seen like that. It'd be neat.)

      Hope for Season 7?

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    • (Maybe, but then in five years the Odyssey rewrite will blow it out of the water. :j )

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    • I hope we'll be able to replicate something that was as good as Odyssey again in the future. (inb4 SD rewrite)

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    • Honestly, I kinda feel like High Tension should get it's own page due to how many people use it and the notes on Maximum Velocity.

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    • You see, I thought of that, but the main reason I haven't so far is because laziness unlike Elemental Rings I did not plan for High Tension to become a public domain ability for anyone to use--especially since recent developments in my series have kind of made it into a sort of "lost art", which explains why nobody actually recognizes the power when Smash first gets it.

      I can still make it into its own page of course, and probably will eventually, but let's be real: not a lot of people use it at all unless people have been going behind my back with it.

      before you ask, in Max's case I actually like, told him he could use it over Discord without really thinking and completely forgot that I did and felt bad about wanting to say he couldn't so we changed it to Maximum Velocity instead.

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    • By “people” I was more referring to characters than users. 

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    • And I'm referring to both. We've only seen three people use it.

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    • Really? Maximum Velocity listed more than 3 people, but then again I haven’t read any of your fanfiction stuff, so...

      Also, for the record, I wasn’t planning on asking to use High Tension at any point in the foreseeable future.

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    • Well there's where the misunderstanding comes from: Maximum Velocity is separate from my own series. That's Max's stuff.

      And I wasn't expecting you to. :V

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    • Huh. I thought the characters mentioned were from Secret Discord (with obvious exceptions).

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    • No, we never mentioned Secret Discord in the High Tension discussions. Technically yes, Smash and Max are both in SD but (they're not FROM that roleplay) that doesn't really have much to do with this at all. Especially since it's non-canon for me.

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    • ...Well, clearly I need to read more of your stuff.

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    • Well, including non-canon, there's

      -Smash

      -Pearl

      -Inverse David

      -Frederick

      -Fa-La-La-La Stu

      -Mac

      -Future Scarlet uses the Max-ified version of it

      -Possibly Chloe?

      -Ken technically uses a fusion of Chaos Energy and complete control of life energy, similarly to HT

      -Mackennedy has Mac and Ken, so duh

      -Kenton (lol you don't know him it's just a fusion between Bad Future Kennedy and Roxas) has a version of Ken, so him too

      -If Ken and Lara-Su ever have a child, there's a chance they would have some type of version of it

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    • This is a super late reply, but something important to note is the fact that the High Tension utilized by the members of Smash's family is explicitly more powerful than the technique normally is. That's why they had more difficulty unlocking the ability, at least in comparison to other people.

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    • Timesmashaperil wrote: This is a super late reply, but something important to note is the fact that the High Tension utilized by the members of Smash's family is explicitly more powerful than the technique normally is. That's why they had more difficulty unlocking the ability, at least in comparison to other people.

      That is something I already noted during the discussion but yeah, that's correct nonetheless.


      MaxIrvaron wrote:
      Well, including non-canon, there's

      -Fa-La-La-La Stu

      okay i straight up forgot she pulled that crap and now I'm all upset over DU again. >:C

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    • its kinda creepy how i remember, tbh

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    • it's also worth noting Frederick didn't just steal Smash's power blatantly, but he also whipped out fire and ice powers outta nowhere against Splice.

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    • inb4 someone decides to coin the usage of the term "Frederick" as referring to a person that blatantly steals the powers of another fancharacter with no rhyme or reason

      ...iunno.

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    • CrimsonFlame2K wrote: inb4 someone decides to coin the usage of the term "Frederick" as referring to a person that blatantly steals the powers of another fancharacter with no rhyme or reason

      ...iunno.

      I may actually make a guy called Federick with power copying now.

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    • CrimsonFlame2K wrote: inb4 someone decides to coin the usage of the term "Frederick" as referring to a person that blatantly steals the powers of another fancharacter with no rhyme or reason

      ...iunno.

      That's not nearly despicable enough to deserve the moniker of Frederick.

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    • Ok, just to check, is Frederick this guy?

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    • oh god are we talking about sonicfan919

      i don't wanna talk shit but while the shit he's pulled with smash is bad for sure but he's done far cringier things

      he once made a character to be a shitty sidekick to my shitty character way back in 2011 and even then i turned him down

      unfortunately the page has since been deleted so idk

      EDIT: no i was wrong but i'm pretty sure it was just edited heavily or the old page was deleted idk i don't feel like looking

      EDIT 2: 2010 fuck it

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    • let's not turn this into a hate-fest on sonicfan919. We were talking about the character because it was relevant to the discussion, and said character just so happens to be the most apprehensible, vile piece of scum the wiki has ever seen. I'm not gonna go into anything else he's done, especially pre-2012 since I feel that's kind of low. 2010 was 9 years ago; we were all dumber and less experienced then.

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    • Smash The Echidna wrote:
      let's not turn this into a hate-fest on sonicfan919. We were talking about the character because it was relevant to the discussion, and said character just so happens to be the most apprehensible, vile piece of scum the wiki has ever seen. I'm not gonna go into anything else he's done, especially pre-2012 since I feel that's kind of low. 2010 was 9 years ago; we were all dumber and less experienced then.

      >and said character just so happens to be the most apprehensible, vile piece of scum the wiki has ever seen.

      lmao gonna prove you wrong later

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    • Hell, I dare you to.

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    • Timesmashaperil wrote:

      That's not nearly despicable enough to deserve the moniker of Frederick.

      ...okay, you got a point there.

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