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  • So as I announced on Skype, the SFW Summer Awards for 2017 are coming up next week, but there is one small problem I would like to have fixed before we actually begin voting. 

    Last season, everything was smooth sailing until I applied the impromptu rule, "Users Forced Neutral". Here's what the rule means: "When a user votes on a category with their character competing in said category, and if said character happens to be one point off from the final round or winning, said character will be placed in the final round or win the category."  I can't word that any worse, my apologies

    So I figured to let you guys decide the fate of this rule. We will come to a consensus when 10 users vote either yes or no, and choose the fate of the rule. We only have until May 29, which is the day before the awards, to vote.

    If you agree, and want to use the rule in the awards, use {{Voting/Yes}}
    I vote YES on this.
    If you disagree, and want to void the rule, use {{Voting/No}}
    I vote NO on this.
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    • I vote NO on this.
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    • I don't get it.

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    • So if Christina was in Best Female, and you voted in that category. Let's say the results ended like this:

      Amy Rose - 9

      Christina - 8

      Cream the Rabbit - 7

      Then with this rule, Christina and Amy Rose would both be put into the final round? I just want to make sure I understand the rule right.

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    • I vote NEUTRAL on this.

      While I'd like this rule here, it might be confusing. So I vote neutral.

      EDIT: I changed my mind.

      I vote YES on this.
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    • I vote YES on this.
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    • I vote NEUTRAL on this.

      I like the idea, as an incentive for people to vote, but I feel it should only apply if they're one point away from tying, and not bump them into the lead if they're already tied.

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    • I vote NO on this.

      It was way confusing for the Winter Awards, and if we bring it back for Summer we might have more confusion (and irritated creators maybe). I don't think it's a good idea.

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    • I vote NO on this.

      I agree with Reens. Confusion is not a good idea.

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    • I vote YES on this.
      Sometimes changes can be good!
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    • Neoexlucky wrote:
      So if Christina was in Best Female, and you voted in that category. Let's say the results ended like this:

      Amy Rose - 9

      Christina - 8

      Cream the Rabbit - 7

      Then with this rule, Christina and Amy Rose would both be put into the final round? I just want to make sure I understand the rule right.

      If I was forced to vote neutral on Christina, and I was the reason why she's a vote behind, then yes

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    • I vote NO on this.

      It would be wayyyy to confusing for some others, like what Reens said.

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    • I think I understand the rule  and

      I vote YES on this.
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    • I vote NO on this.

      Both parties would use it and we'd be back where we started...

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    • Instead of having this awkward method that's clearly going to confuse at least half the wiki, why not volunteer a third party who has no personal nominations competing to vote all the categories? This way, we can be sure that everyone gets a chance to tie if all it takes is one more vote.

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    • Smash The Echidna wrote:
      Instead of having this awkward method that's clearly going to confuse at least half the wiki, why not volunteer a third party who has no personal nominations competing to vote all the categories? This way, we can be sure that everyone gets a chance to tie if all it takes is one more vote.

      Kinda having a little trouble understanding what you mean. Like are you saying to get voters to skip the categories their characters are competing in?

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    • Not even close, dude. What I mean is, when a user is forced to vote neutral for their character which ultimately prevents them from moving to the final round, we should bring in a new voter to give them a second chance. A voter who has no characters in any categories; Any category he or she votes in won't put him or her in the user-forced neutral situation, thus making them the odd one out. If all it takes is one vote to decide whether someone's character is in or out of the final round, then someone who the user-forced neutral rule does not apply to would be ideal to bring in to vote.


      As I'm saying this now I realize I could very well have worded this better and this plan is a bit of a wildcard anyway. Finding someone with the time and dedication to vote in a contest that they aren't competing in would not be easy.

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    • I vote NO on this.
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    • Smash The Echidna wrote:

      Finding someone with the time and dedication to vote in a contest that they aren't competing in would not be easy.

      It wouldn't be easy, but it's definitely possible. I figure since you didn't vote last season, I have no clue if you're planning on voting for this one, so maybe you could be that someone .o.

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    • Part of the reason I've been putting off voting is because the two seasons just happen to take place right when I'm busy preparing update videos for my game. I don't think I'll be doing this again to be perfectly honest. It takes up too much of my time that I need for my own projects.

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    • Smash The Echidna wrote:
      Part of the reason I've been putting off voting is because the two seasons just happen to take place right when I'm busy preparing update videos for my game. I don't think I'll be doing this again to be perfectly honest. It takes up too much of my time that I need for my own projects.

      I think Smash's idea makes more sense. If there is a user that is neutral to the whole contest (not having any characters in the running), they can have a shot at deciding a tiebreaker.

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    • I also agree, but here's my question. 

      So lets say you have two nominees in the same category:

      • Alice (9 votes)
      • Bob (8 votes)

      Bob has only 8 votes because his creator was forced to vote neutral

      So another user wants to break the tie, and adds his votes

      • Alice now has 10 votes
      • Bob now has 9 votes

      That doesn't really solve anything. Or is there some other way around it?

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    • I vote NEUTRAL on this.
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    • Darkest Shadow wrote:
      I also agree, but here's my question. 

      So lets say you have two nominees in the same category:

      • Alice (9 votes)
      • Bob (8 votes)

      Bob has only 8 votes because his creator was forced to vote neutral

      So another user wants to break the tie, and adds his votes

      • Alice now has 10 votes
      • Bob now has 9 votes

      That doesn't really solve anything. Or is there some other way around it?

      What about a designated judge role for the votes? Like, after the initial voting season is over, the judge can to look at all the forced neutral votes, and could use a 'golden buzzer' to put that character into the final round. Like in the case of Alice and Bob, the Judge could decide to put Bob in the final round with Alice.

      The Judge isn't allowed to have their work be nominated for the season. Maybe the Judge also cannot vote normally either, they only are allowed those 'golden buzzers', you could even limit it to three golden buzzers a season or something if need be. 

      Also, if you need a guinea pig to test things out, I'll volunteer. I've got no plans at all this summer, and I'm on break till the beginning of september, so I'll be free.

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    • Darkest Shadow wrote:
      I also agree, but here's my question. 

      So lets say you have two nominees in the same category:

      • Alice (9 votes)
      • Bob (8 votes)

      Bob has only 8 votes because his creator was forced to vote neutral

      So another user wants to break the tie, and adds his votes

      • Alice now has 10 votes
      • Bob now has 9 votes

      That doesn't really solve anything. Or is there some other way around it?

      To be honest I don't actually know.


      Neoexlucky wrote:
      What about a designated judge role for the votes? Like, after the initial voting season is over, the judge can to look at all the forced neutral votes, and could use a 'golden buzzer' to put that character into the final round. Like in the case of Alice and Bob, the Judge could decide to put Bob in the final round with Alice.

      The Judge isn't allowed to have their work be nominated for the season. Maybe the Judge also cannot vote normally either, they only are allowed those 'golden buzzers', you could even limit it to three golden buzzers a season or something if need be. 

      Also, if you need a guinea pig to test things out, I'll volunteer. I've got no plans at all this summer, and I'm on break till the beginning of september, so I'll be free.

      ^ That's partially what my idea was, if only for the designated voter.

      I imagine the judges would look over the page like any other voter, with the "golden buzzer" being the equivalent of a +1 vote. Honestly, I think this is a lot more reasonable than my idea, and I might be more willing to try this instead of voting through the whole thing.

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    • Smash The Echidna wrote:
      Darkest Shadow wrote:
      I also agree, but here's my question. 

      So lets say you have two nominees in the same category:

      • Alice (9 votes)
      • Bob (8 votes)

      Bob has only 8 votes because his creator was forced to vote neutral

      So another user wants to break the tie, and adds his votes

      • Alice now has 10 votes
      • Bob now has 9 votes

      That doesn't really solve anything. Or is there some other way around it?

      To be honest I don't actually know.



      Neoexlucky wrote:
      What about a designated judge role for the votes? Like, after the initial voting season is over, the judge can to look at all the forced neutral votes, and could use a 'golden buzzer' to put that character into the final round. Like in the case of Alice and Bob, the Judge could decide to put Bob in the final round with Alice.

      The Judge isn't allowed to have their work be nominated for the season. Maybe the Judge also cannot vote normally either, they only are allowed those 'golden buzzers', you could even limit it to three golden buzzers a season or something if need be. 

      Also, if you need a guinea pig to test things out, I'll volunteer. I've got no plans at all this summer, and I'm on break till the beginning of september, so I'll be free.

      ^ That's partially what my idea was, if only for the designated voter.

      I imagine the judges would look over the page like any other voter, with the "golden buzzer" being the equivalent of a +1 vote. Honestly, I think this is a lot more reasonable than my idea, and I might be more willing to try this instead of voting through the whole thing.

      Now that I think about it Neoxlucky's idea is good.

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    • Reens the Hedgehog wrote:
      Smash The Echidna wrote:
      Darkest Shadow wrote:
      I also agree, but here's my question. 

      So lets say you have two nominees in the same category:

      • Alice (9 votes)
      • Bob (8 votes)

      Bob has only 8 votes because his creator was forced to vote neutral

      So another user wants to break the tie, and adds his votes

      • Alice now has 10 votes
      • Bob now has 9 votes

      That doesn't really solve anything. Or is there some other way around it?

      To be honest I don't actually know.



      Neoexlucky wrote:
      What about a designated judge role for the votes? Like, after the initial voting season is over, the judge can to look at all the forced neutral votes, and could use a 'golden buzzer' to put that character into the final round. Like in the case of Alice and Bob, the Judge could decide to put Bob in the final round with Alice.

      The Judge isn't allowed to have their work be nominated for the season. Maybe the Judge also cannot vote normally either, they only are allowed those 'golden buzzers', you could even limit it to three golden buzzers a season or something if need be. 

      Also, if you need a guinea pig to test things out, I'll volunteer. I've got no plans at all this summer, and I'm on break till the beginning of september, so I'll be free.

      ^ That's partially what my idea was, if only for the designated voter.

      I imagine the judges would look over the page like any other voter, with the "golden buzzer" being the equivalent of a +1 vote. Honestly, I think this is a lot more reasonable than my idea, and I might be more willing to try this instead of voting through the whole thing.

      Now that I think about it Neoxlucky's idea is good.

      I second that. I'm all for it. Anyone else agree?

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    • Sounds good to me.

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    • I vote NO on this.
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    • Even though I practically don't take part in this (or hardly even the wiki itself) anymore, why not just redact the rule stating the creator of an article/character has to vote neutral on their own creation? Rather than having someone else come in just to vote towards an article you can't vote for because you made it?

      I get why​ the rule was implemented in the first place, but I trust MOST people on here wouldn't just vote only for their own article and give everyone else a negative vote in hopes of getting a fancy recognition of "best in such-and-such category" on their own creation. Most people who even get nominated to begin with usually seem responsible enough to vote fairly.

      (I'm really hoping I actually understand what this is about, otherwise I just made myself look like a complete idiot.)

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    • Because then in order to do that we'd have to adjust the entire way voting works to compensate, because god knows every season there's at least ONE voter that causes trouble.

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    • Eh, true.

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    • Smash The Echidna wrote:
      Not even close, dude. What I mean is, when a user is forced to vote neutral for their character which ultimately prevents them from moving to the final round, we should bring in a new voter to give them a second chance. A voter who has no characters in any categories; Any category he or she votes in won't put him or her in the user-forced neutral situation, thus making them the odd one out. If all it takes is one vote to decide whether someone's character is in or out of the final round, then someone who the user-forced neutral rule does not apply to would be ideal to bring in to vote.

      Come to think of it, that sounds like something I could do. I've personally asked for all of my content to never be allowed for voting anyway, so I'd always be said "third party voter".

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    • Frost the Wolf wrote:

      Come to think of it, that sounds like something I could do. I've personally asked for all of my content to never be allowed for voting anyway, so I'd always be said "third party voter".

      Then apply for the position of a Judge, since that's what it seems Darkest is going for.


      Neoexlucky wrote:

      What about a designated judge role for the votes? Like, after the initial voting season is over, the judge can to look at all the forced neutral votes, and could use a 'golden buzzer' to put that character into the final round. Like in the case of Alice and Bob, the Judge could decide to put Bob in the final round with Alice.

      The Judge isn't allowed to have their work be nominated for the season. Maybe the Judge also cannot vote normally either, they only are allowed those 'golden buzzers', you could even limit it to three golden buzzers a season or something if need be. 


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    • Alright, I apply for the position of a judge. I would just need to be contacted on Skype, since, as I said, I'm seldom on here anymore to keep up with current events.

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