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  • Smash The Echidna
    Smash The Echidna closed this thread because:
    I already got rid of the form.
    19:14, July 5, 2015

    Lately I've been thinking about this super form of Smash's. This form has taken several blows from a nerf bat over the years, so much that it's gone from being his most powerful form to below the level of Super Smash. Now I'm having second thought about it yet again. Let me quote what I'd said about it in HS664's thread.

    HS664 wrote:

    Now, in addition to what we know or may find out from Sonic News Network/Retro, I've also read that the Chaos Emeralds do not grant new powers, but modify old ones... meaning its probable that Chaos Control is a heavily modified version of Sonic/Shadow/Metal Sonic's super speed and Silver/Black Doom's Teleporting Abilities.

    Smash The Echidna wrote:

    Now that is a very interesting theory. To be able to move so fast that everyone and everything else appears to be frozen in time. In a way, that's kinda what stopping time is like for the one doing it.

    This theory might also help explain something I was thinking about. While I was going over some revisions in my series, I couldn't help but try to find a way to properly introduce Light Smash, as the original debut of this super form was lost in time. (heh) Light Smash is essentially the super version of his High Tension state; meaning it's closer to an actual super form than a simply powered-up state. But since it uses his own energy instead of the Chaos Emeralds, he's left unconscious after reverting back to normal.

    And then I began thinking; Is it really right for Smash to have a powerful form like that from the get-go? Considering Light Smash showed up before High Tension, (learned the latter because of the former,) this would mean that Smash has always been really powerful, deep down. Unnaturally powerful even, before he even learned that he could go super in the first place.
    Naturally, this bothered me a bit, so I tried to find an explanation for it.

    Basically, I had Smash's Light transformation stem from coming in contact with the Chaos Emeralds, (which would unlock that hidden potential,) as well as the regular requirements for it. If the Chaos Emeralds greatly modified his latent High Tension, that would give way to Light Smash, correct?

    Still, I feel that logic is flawed, in that simply coming in contact with an emerald shouldn't release his potential. I could probably work around it, but I also feel like I'm missing something else. I also had the idea of scrapping Light Smash entirely, buuut then that would mean Smash would never learn High Tension.


    So yeah, I need some second opinions/suggestions/etc about this. I'm conflicted. While I kinda like the form, I don't feel like Smash should have this kind of power so early on. (for a general idea about how early on, Smash already knew High Tension when I joined SFW about 4 and a half years ago.) But...

    Smash The Echidna wrote:
    I also had the idea of scrapping Light Smash entirely, buuut then that would mean Smash would never learn High Tension.

    The reason for this is simple: His first transformation to Light Smash is what made him question his abilities, ultimately leading up to him learning High Tension.

    Alternatively, I am up for suggestions on how to get around this. That is, how to remove this super form without leaving a gaping plothole behind. And on that note, should I scrap Light Smash entirely, or should I simply bump the debut of this transformation to sometime long after he mastered High Tension?

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    • Bumped.

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    • Here's how I see it. You said Light Smash was learned before High Tension and he learned how to go super? If Light Smash is just weaker than Super Smash, but still requires the use of the Chaos Emeralds, doesn't that just make it obsolete in terms of general power?

      If so, then you might just have your answer right there. Light Smash was accessed on accident, which led to his two other ascended/super forms. Seeing that Super Smash is stronger and has the same requirements and High Tension is weaker but doesn't require any outside help, it means that Light Smash is just now obsolete and you could leave it as him never using it anymore for that reason.

      Again, this is my opinion on the matter.

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    • Monk the Cat wrote:
      Here's how I see it. You said Light Smash was learned before High Tension and he learned how to go super? If Light Smash is just weaker than Super Smash, but still requires the use of the Chaos Emeralds, doesn't that just make it obsolete in terms of general power?

      Actually no, I actually never said it needs the Chaos Emeralds as a power source. If that were the case, I wouldn't even be asking because it wouldn't be related to High Tension in any way; it'd just be regular old Super Smash.

      High Tension uses your own energy and strength instead of an external power source. Light Smash, being the highest form of it, also uses his own strength. The requirements, as quoted from his page, were being pushed to his limits, feeling a strong surge of emotion with a great feeling of need.

      Rephrasing what I said earlier about the Chaos emeralds, my idea was that simply being near them sort of 'unlocked' his ability to use High Tension of any form in the first place. Other than that, they are not required at all for any other transformation than Super. So, even if it was weaker than Super Smash, the fact that he doesn't need Chaos Emeralds, the fact that he's faster, can use his energy-based attacks better than ever, (spirit blast being pretty much twice as strong) and can heal people in this form, I think it has enough to make up for the lack of physical power. It's a fair balance between the two forms.

      (Also, the Chaos Emeralds are rarely used in my series for transformations, especially as of late.)

      The problem is, I feel iffy about the Chaos Emeralds unlocking his potential for this transformation. Especially, considering the circumstances/context of the time of transformation, the emeralds were actually locked away in a steel container. I also am not sure how I feel about the trigger for the transformation either.

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    • So, High Tension and Light Smash are supposed to be Smash accessing more of his latent energy in order to achieve some sort of mini transformation, right? And your concern is that Smash would have been too powerful inside, right?

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    • Exactly, except Light Smash isn't a mini-transformation. It's practically on par with Super Smash.

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    • Well after roughly half a year, I've decided to write Light Smash out of canon. I don't FULLY know how I'm going to go about dealing with its first canonical appearance, but I have a basic idea to work off of.

      On that note I'm probably going to be doing some minor to major updates to his page in general, pretty soon.

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    • Well, for dealing with its first appearance, I have an idea. What if Light Smash was the result of using his potential while super? When he became super, he gained enough energy to use his inner potential, like you said, and powered up from Super Smash to Light Smash. That's my idea. Light Smash would work similar to the Super Kaio-Ken, if you understand what I'm trying to say.

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    • Eh, I thought of that, but I don't think that'd be enough to put him in Light Smash mode. It would just be like Super Kao-Ken, like you said.

      Anyway, you're several months late, here. I already scrapped this form. I just forgot to close this thread.

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