I know that the Ominous from Sonic Overload (Or "Bad" Ominous) wasn't that redeemable, but what about the "Anti-villain" Ominous (Or the one that I've already wrote a sympathetic personality for)? Do you think he should be redeem or not, and if so, why or why not? What do you think would be a fitting punishment for him if he shouldn't be redeemed? Thanks for the reply if you wanted to or already did, sorry if I bothered or upset anyone, and have a great day.
I'm really sorry, but I don't think I'll have the time to do this. I've been trying to help with Ominous when I got the time, but I really don't have much left to do a full critique request. Though I may get a chance some time, don't count on it any time soon if ever, as I'm not sure when (or if) it'll happen.
This is the new backstory that Lucentstar came up with for me and Ominous. It's still a work in progress, but Lucentstar still did a great job, though. I hope you like it.
[As a child, Ominous was isolated. There was no one he could trust; his parents were neglectful when they weren't being verbally or physically abusive. There was no one to give him reason to think he really did deserve to be loved when they called him a burden, told him he'd ruined their lives. At school, it was more of the same, with teachers who had no patience for the quiet, bruised child who sometimes missed classes, and bullies who sensed his insecurities and relentlessly teased him, taunted him, beat him up when they felt like it and no one was watching.
Ominous hated the people in his world for the way they treated him. He hated the cruelty, couldn't imagine how someone could hurt another person, even if that person deserved it (as he sometimes thought he must). Then, one fateful day, the leader of the bullies grabbed him by the arm as he exited the schoolhouse. Instead of beating him up, which he had expected, the bully dragged him over to where the rest of the bullies stood, gathered around another boy. Ominous had seen the boy that morning, but only in passing; he was new to the school.
The bully told Ominous that he had two choices: help them beat up the new kid, or take a beating in his place. Ominous couldn't believe his ears. It seemed like a nightmare, but he couldn't wake up. It was all too real. He felt sick to his stomach, but with dreamlike horror he saw himself stepping forward, taking a swing at the new kid, then another. Beyond the ringing in his ears, he could distantly hear the bullies laughing and jeering. As he walked away, there was blood on his hands, and most of it wasn't his.
The worst part of it was that for a terrible moment he had reveled in it, loved the power, gloried in the fact that he was not the victim, not this time. And for that, he hated himself, now as much as he hated the rest of the world. Everyone could be evil, would be evil, given the chance, he was sure. The world was broken, broken, and –
Ominous would fix it.
He resolved that, then, with the blood of a boy whose name he didn't even know on his hands and bile in his stomach, resolved that he would wipe evil out of the world. It was the desperate promise of a betrayed child, but it was something solid for him to grasp onto in an existence made up entirely of cruelly treacherous ground. He would bind himself so he could do no evil, and he would find chains strong enough to bind the totality of being, one way or another. No one could know, because they would try to stop him, everyone wanted to do evil, but in the end –
Ominous would fix it. Ominous would fix it, once and for all.]
Okay, that's true, but Can you explain a way to make this fit into the whole 10,000 year seal and how this can have not just the whole world involved, but the whole omniverse and beyond? Sorry if you're busy, I just need to make sure how to make it fit into what I've set up. Thanks for the reply.
What I mean by omniversal or larger in scale is by the scale that he's after in terms of correcting all evil and conflict besides just the whole world or universe. Ominous is trying to correct everything in the omniverse and beyond after seeing what others have gone through or are about to go through besides his world or universe. The seal that I'm referring to is what might happen to him after he tries to use the new morality/empathy manipulation powers that he's attained and either a god or other high beings like the government try to do to him to prevent him from doing any possible harm to everything. Sorry for the rant, though. I hope this helps.
I have an idea for how you could make things work with all this. This would probably be its own story or something if this gets accepted rather than an alteration to Lucent's thing, since all of my idea happens after hers. The idea goes basically like so:
Part 1: Ominous gains this morality/empathy manipulation (if he didn't have it already) and tries to use it mostly like you said, just only on his universe. Someone high up realizes that it could do bad stuff and seals him for 10,000 years (again, like you said).
Part 2: This is where the bulk of my original part comes in. While Ominous is stuck for 10,000 years (if he can think during then) or after the seal is released (if the seal prevents thought), Ominous has a good think about everything that's happened and determines that, if his power to stop things in his universe is limited by these gods/government/etc., then that means that clearly universe-level powers like he has are not enough; instead, he must gain the power to affect the entire omniverse, as only then will he be powerful enough to save his own universe, helping avoid what people would go through there by overriding the universal-level limitations with his omniversal-level powers. (So basically his previous motivations, but with this extra factor added in for why he has them.)
This will be what my anti-villain Ominous' new plan would be if he ever reappeared in another game, show, or any new entry or media. I hope you enjoy.
[Ominous' new plan for his goal to get rid of all of the evil and conflict in the omniverse and beyond for good is to find a way to create a machine that instantly changes the morality and conflict of everything for the good of everyone in a painless, harmless, ray of light that brings no harm to others without drawing any attention to himself or without anybody getting involved or noticing. He will try to do this in secret without doing anything that a villain (or anti-villain) usually does that draws attention to the plan or makes others upset. This include no taunting, insulting, gloating, capturing, stealing, hurting, killing, conquering, destroying, manipulating, lying, tricking, using, name-calling, etc, as it would be wrong and go against both his moral principles and overall plan. If he has minions who don't want to cooperate due to either fear, skeptism, or doubt, he will be fair and either go along with them or do it himself so that everyone is happy. He might need to do it at night if he is easily exposed during the day. He will also try to make sure that nobody will find out if spotted without lying, manipulating, hurting, destroying, etc. If he is found out and is demanded to turn off the machine, then he will. If he doesn't like the way things are going if this plan succeeds or if everyone isn't fond by its effects or results, he will turn it off immediately. His plan isn't about conquering, corrupting, or destroying anything, nor is it about hurting anybody; it's about trying to change everything for the better of everyone, including himself. In summary; his plan involves changing everything without anyone even knowing or getting involved.]
What do you think of Ominous' new plan? Does it have any flaws that he should rectify? Thanks for commenting and have a great day.
Ominous's plan appears to be so flawless that I barely understand how he's still a villain at all and not a hero. The only thing that seems like it might make Ominous at all villainous would be if Ominous's sense of "good" that he attempts to change the world to were somehow misguided, and I get the impression that you don't even think that that's true, leaving Ominous as a flawlessly good and uncorrupt character.
You might ask yourself what purpose Ominous is meant to serve in your stories: is he meant to be a hero, or is he meant to be a villain?
If the latter, even if he is meant to be an anti-villain, then there must be some reason why he is fundamentally opposed to the heroes. Sure, there can be tragic anti-villains who would rather not fight the heroes but are stuck on the opposite side, and there can be anti-villains whose goals are the same as the heroes' but whose means are deplorable (or vice versa), but you can't pit your beacon of shining goodness against the heroes without a really good reason why they're fighting (like one of the above), and as I see it, Ominous has no reasons why he'd be on the opposite side.
Now, if all you want is for Ominous to be that beacon I referred to earlier, and you don't care about having him be a villain, go for it; just bear in mind that he's no longer a villain or even an anti-villain, he's a hero now, and people won't believe him fighting the heroes.
One more thing: Since Ominous's goals are to make the universe into your personal brand of utopia, then you've essentially limited your choice of stories to two types:
Anti-villain route: Ominous is trying to achieve utopia, but his means are so bad that the end does not justify the means, forcing the heroes to stop him.
Hero route: Ominous is trying to achieve utopia, and his means are heroic, just hard. Ergo, he or one of his cohorts is the hero of the story, and it will follow their adventures as they try to achieve this noble end.
And you've got five available endings to choose from, most of which imply one of the two above stories:
Pure Hero ending: Hero Ominous achieves his goals. Yay, the universe is perfect now.
Hero Ending: Villain Ominous achieves his goes anyway, but they purify everything so yay.
Normal ending: Villain Ominous's plans are stopped. Yay, now he's not doing that villainous stuff any more.
Dark ending: Hero Ominous's plans are stopped. Aw.
Pure Dark ending: Either incarnation achieves his goals, but there turns out to be something flawed about the utopia, with varying levels of tragedy and/or followups depending on how reversible this "utopia" that now affects all reality turns out to be.
If these stories and/or endings aren't what you're heading for, you might reconsider why you want Ominous to be how he is, or how you'd want to change him to be.
If you have any questions on this, please let me know.
Thanks for the advice again, Wiki. As I sort of imagined; Ominous' goals were supposed to match up with his philosophy about not only how much evil and conflict the world or universe has or the inhabitants have, but the rest of the omniverse and even beyond that as well or at least changing the cause of all conflict and pure anger, evil and turmoil itself. In other words, he was supposed to be misguided and sort of a "magneto-type character" or someone who is not wrong, but goes about things the wrong way. I mean, do you know the one thing that is the cause of all conflict. His philosophy and his goals, while good in their own rights, are stripping away freedom and balance between morality as both good, evil, and even neutral alignments sort of need each other to keep the whole world and beyond balanced and stick to a mostly gray morality mindset. It would also be kind of boring without conflict; while it would stop things from going bad from others, which is also as good. Just like nature and technology; Both good and evil, as well as neutral, as two sides of a coin, but they're both needed for evolution and progress, same with conflict. I mean, just think what would happen if he used the same plan, but with more malicious goals or intentions. Anyway, thanks for the advice again, Wiki. Have a great day.
Hey, could you maybe help me in copying and pasting my stuff to your new Wiki? I'm not getting rid of anything here, I just want to be prepared for the future. I'm also going to be offline for a little while (I'll explain in my blog when I post it). If you could help me, that would be awesome. Thanks. :)
All right, I did what I could so far and imported all of your pages in categories beginning with your username. Did that do what you wanted? If not, please let me know what went wrong and why, and I will try to fix it post-haste.
It seems to have done what I wanted (we really need to do something about all those redlinks eventually, though). For now, I would like to focus on getting some, if not all of the Reboot Timeline content over to your wiki, and same thing for the content of the old continuity. Perhaps we can move the main pages of said continuities over to your wiki, and then work our way from there?
Are there some categories that include the bulk of the content that you want transferred, or should I just look through your continuity pages, compile a list of your content, and move it? (I ask because the export tool requires a page list, and it's easier if I can have the list in advance, especially through categories, as the export tool especially likes those).
Also, is the content that you want copied yours only, or does it also include some of other peoples' content? (Asking here for two reasons: 1) if so, it means that I need to broaden my search; and 2) it means that one of us may need to ask these people if this move is OK with them, depending on how the rules work for your continuity.)
As to the redlinks, there are a couple of ways that I'd suggest using one of to fix the links.
The first (and probably most obvious one) is that, if the pages in question on are on your import list, then no need to fix the links there.
In the less obviously handle-able case where there's content that you want to remain here but want to link to on the Sonic Fan Wiki, you can simply type [[w:c:sonicfanon:PAGENAME|PAGENAME]] (replacing PAGENAME with the name of the page in question) to generate a link to the page in question at this wiki.
For templates, those can be imported with everything else (so, for example, Template:Character Identity can be imported as long as Akrivus is cool with that).
Images are the last and trickiest thing to import; due to the Fandom software not being the best, all images have to be manually downloaded (unless you already have them on your device) and re-uploaded to the target wiki (in this case, the Sonic Fan Wiki). However, I'd be happy to help with that effort like any other.
If you have any questions about any of this, please let me know.
The images I can probably handle myself- those aren't my biggest priority anyway. I don't really care about the categories necessarily, as I can probably make most of said category pages myself on your Wiki.
As to a list, most of the content I would want transferred would be on the continuity pages. To make things easier, here are the links to both continuities.
Okay, so the only page I think you missed was this one: Sari the Badger. I'll look to see if there were any others. I also asked Reens if we could move Atlanta the Hedgehog to your Wiki. I'm currently waiting on her reply.
I'll also message Akrivus about his/her infobox template, and maybe we can see if we can do something about that.
For infoboxes, I should note that there is an infobox that Xoph made there based on input from the Sonic Fan Wiki community. While you're certainly entitled to bring another infobox, I just wanted to let you know that there is indeed a fully functional infobox there in case you want it.
Reens says it's fine if we add Atlanta the Hedgehog to your Wiki. As to Xoph's infobox, can you send me the link so I can see what it looks like?
Also I checked to see who made the character infobox template that I usually use and it's Game. I don't think we're on very good terms right now, so he/she probably won't let us use the template, which totally sucks. :(