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similar to [[Project Life: Star|Star]], who was the prototype of the Life Project, but from people and their selfish wishes, he was able to achieve Perfect Mode, in which he was sealed away - Chembur
 
similar to [[Project Life: Star|Star]], who was the prototype of the Life Project, but from people and their selfish wishes, he was able to achieve Perfect Mode, in which he was sealed away - Chembur
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It's not hard to be creative, Shadow is "The Ultimate Lifeform", but why do nyou have to be an Ultimate Lifeform? I have a concept character known as R.A.G.E.; Revolutionary Advancements in Genetic Engineering - [[User:Dark Paladin Danny|Dark Paladin Danny]] 16:47, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

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I think we've really just about had it with these creatures. There are just far too many 'Ultimate Life Forms' popping in every crook and nanny. Ultimate means 'final' or 'last'. The tops, the best. How can so many people claim to be the Ultimate when the word is synonymous with single. There can only be one Ultimate. If everyone calls themselves the 'Ultimate Life Form', then the term has lost all meaning. Enough with recolored 'Ultimate' knockoffs. There's more to genetics in Sonic than the 'Ultimate Life Form'. Use your brain and think. Be creative. Sheeeeesh Kaihedgie 17:42, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I think I know why so many people create Ultimate Lifeforms (myself included). You see, some people want their characters to be related to an actual character from the franchise, to give their characters something more. However, for most characters, their family is largely unknown, and making characters "Sonic's sister", or "Knuckles' cousin", is often looked down upon, especially since it's difficult to come up with a logical and detailed backstory. However, Shadow stands as an artificially created lifeform, a being born through science. Because of this, it's much easier to come up with a logical story for a character to be related to Shadow (Take for example, my character Statyx the Hedgehog). Now, due to being related to such a powerful character, the fan-character's creator feels their character should have power to match, and thus, the fan character becomes an "Ultimate Lifeform". The main reason there are so many Ultimate Lifeforms is because people are trying to be creative. To try and make their character special and unique in their own way.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round~ 17:59, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Hunter: Long live the genetic experiments!!!!!!

Then they are trying and failing HARD. Like I said, there are more to genetics in Sonic than Ultimate Life Forms. Not every single solitary artificial life form has to be created by Gerald and not every single solitary character has to be a hedgehog. If people want to really be creative then try creating something for once that doesn't remotely resemble Sonic or Shadow. Think outside of the box. And most of all: don't ever interfere with canon. There can only be one Ultimate. If there is more than one, than Shadow isn't the Ultimate anymore, he's just another artificial lifeform. Kaihedgie 18:07, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, there is more to genetics than Sonic and Shadow. Yes, not every character has to be a hedgehog. However, Sonic and Shadow are the most popular characters, and hedgehogs are the most popular species in the series (which is to be expected, since some of the most prominent characters are hedgehogs). Most people truly do try and think outside of the box, and the backstories themselves are usually quite original. As for the "interfering with canon"; I feel that most people do not see the title "Ultimate Lifeform" with a literal meaning, but more as a show of great strength and ability, or simply as a codename/project title. If it were a literal title, I think we all know who it would really belong to.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round~ 18:17, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

It IS a literal title. The goal was to create a lifeform not only stronger, faster and resilient, but to also create one immune to disease and death (not through causes though), hence the Ultimate Life Kaihedgie 18:36, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, if that's what "The Ultimate Lifeform" means, then you've actually validated there being multiple Ultimate Lifeforms. Because, if these characters share those qualities of being stronger, faster, more resiliant, and being immune to disease and death, then would it not be logical for them to also be called "Ultimate Lifeforms"?--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round~ 18:40, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Okay... What i'm seeing here is made of so much fail that it's unbelievable. First of all, the term "Ultimate Lifeform" is concieved as a template introduced to the series as experimentation by Gerald Robotnik in order to, not create, but enhance human life in terms of getting rid of negative human causes such as disease, aging and death, in order to cure Maria; the term "Ultimate Lifeform" was a self-adopted title by Shadow because that is what he was created to be. Theoretically, if Gerald was allowed to continue his experimentaion, there would be more than one Ultimate Lifeforms. I digress, Kai, what the hell are you doing back here? All you seem to do is pop up and cause commotion when it's not needed. Do everyone a favour, either go away and stay away, or stop causing trouble when you visit. --Black Judgment of Guyviroth 19:02, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Hold it Guy. Kai is allowed to speak her opnion. If she wishes to discuss that opinion, she has every right to.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round~ 19:06, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, slight problem; there's one thing expressing an opinion, and another thing insulting our members while expressing that opinion. Secondly Kagi, you don't know Kai as well as I do in the sense that all he/she does when she posts something is bitch about people's characters and creativity. That in itself warrants a ban that should of been executed the last time he/she came here. --Black Judgment of Guyviroth 19:10, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Insulting? I just saw someone sharing their completely honest opinion. If it's hurtful, oh well. I mean really, what's worse: hearing someone's honest opnion, or being patronized? She is not actively insulting any one person or character, but rather stating her opinion, though granted she could have done so in a less harsh manner.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round~ 19:14, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

No I did not validate. There cannot be more than one Ultimate. Simply enough, the goal was to create a much better lifeform and then replicate towards others but to a possibly lesser degree. However, since this does not come to fruition, his status as the Ultimate remains uncontested. It would also mean that since Shadow's creation, no other lifeform created beforeafter him could have been the Ultimate as they were all prototypes. Shadow was the final result, so there was no need for more as he all he needed to do was to replicate it in natural lifeforms. Thus I stand that there need not be anymore 'Ultimates' as Shadow is The Ultimate. That's all, otherwise the word loses all meaning. There is no plural form. It's just one single entity.

Also, I'm not a girl. Kaihedgie 19:17, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I think someone isn't thinking outside of the box, as it were. The only reason why he is the "ultimate lifeform" was because he was the only one made. Who says that replicates of Shadow have to be to a lesser degree? No one. But, here's something people seem to forget; People's own continuity are their own; they can do whatever they want, but the point is that their own continuity are not Canon nor affect Canon in either way, so bringing up the argument "It is canon" or something similar is immediately redundant. --Black Judgment of Guyviroth 19:22, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Also Kai, regardless of what you say, a character will become only what it's creator wants it to become; nothing more, nothing less. Neither you nor I have any say in that manner whatsoever. All we can do is give constructive criticism nd share our honest opinions.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round~ 19:24, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Again, ya don't seem to understand. Of course it is not canon, but the problem being that the character's existence interferes with it by bringing about historical fallacies. Their backstories conflict with events and instances that have already transpired or confirmed by the developers. There cannot be another Ultimate Life Form. For there to be another Ultimate, the new must surpass the previous one, thus the previous will no longer be acknowledged as the Ultimate as another entity surpasses it. As I've said before, ultimate has no plural. It is the final, the last, end result, to surpass all else. Kaihedgie 19:37, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I'm done humoring you. People can make their characters whatever they want their character to be, and no one else has any say in the matter. People may see the title "Ultimate Lifeform" and it's meaning differently than from what you think it means, you just hae to accept that. What's more, people are fully allowed to make their own fanfics, and make them as similiar or as different from the canon series as they please. I say we just agree to disagree about our opinions, and drop it before permanent damage is done. And I'm talking to both of you, Kai and Guy.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round~ 20:08, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Lemme just throw in a few cents. I tend to agree with Kai on just about all he had to say on the matter. Now, I am not saying "kill all those ultimate life forms" (an oxymoron, I know, just go with me), Though I personally would advice those people with such characters to strongly rethink what they have on their hands. Characters that were created alongside Shadow on Space Colony ARK are vast in number. Vast enough, in fact, to the point that it's simply not original at all anymore, no matter how you try to justify it.
Look at it this way. It's outdone, just as original and will get you likely classified as a Mary Sue/Marty Stu as much as Sonic's billions of siblings would. And do you believe me, in fanon (not just counting this wiki), there are really at least 100,000 siblings of Sonic, all of whom share any number of traits with him - his speed, his heroism, his abily for Super Transformation, and often, they're just as good at things as him, sometimes even better.
It's very similar with Shadow's "siblings," they are in the same league or even above him. Why that is, only the creators would know, but fact is, there just isn't much to get out of a character who's made with the premise of being so similar to a pre-existing one, usually. I assume it can be done, but it's really difficult to pull off successfully without unleashing the cliché-hounds.
That is precisely why, usually, I suggest for people to try and have as little connection with established canon as possible when fancharacters are concerned. I am not even condemning Hedgehogs in and off themselves, the species isn't what makes a character special or not after all, at least not to me, but, I do encourage originality in a character so that they may truly stand out among both, official and fancharacters.
And those are my two-or-so cents on the subject at hand. Herman2000 20:47, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

This is why I try to make my charas as Archie-based as possible. I don't think a single one of my characters is related to a canon canon char.

....Eh, no wait, actually, Cinos is a blood ancestor of Sonic, Makadius is his possible godfather, aaaaaannnd I also made up a little brother for Sonic.--FloatzelHug OM NOM NOM!! 20:57, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Some veeery good points have been made here. --MORTAL KOMBAT' File:Picture1.gif 21:39, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

true, its starting to get old, I mean one or two sisters or brothers to Shadow is good, but making like 12, how can they all be the ultimate, soon it would come down to

Person 1 "oh Mine's the strongest"

Person 2 "No, Mine's is"

then, it becomes Chaos - Chembur

Mow, see that's what I don't get... people make their characters related to Shadow, and people think that that means there is more then one ultimate life form. In no way do I think that Zant the Hedgehog (a fan character of mine related to Shaodw)is an ultimate life form. I only consider him a brother of Shadow and a spectrikenetic. (I know I spelled that wrong) --MORTAL KOMBAT' File:Picture1.gif 21:49, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Guyviroth's opinion on this. I often try to avoid making my characters related to canon characters unless I'm making future children.--Teneko Teneko3Talk to me! ^_^ 21:53, January 5, 2010 (UTC)


to me, Zant could only remember five things, thats what made him unique to me, see he wasn't like, " Oh look, a I'm an Ultimate Lifeform", he didn't think of himself as one, thats what I like about him, and Kit, your Character Kit wasn't related to one, she was a Human, before being transported to Sonic's world, yet, she fell in love with Shadow, see, thats what makes the Character special, as I see it - Chembur

Eh, Statyx is sort of "middle ground", I guess. On one hand, he wasn't created on the ARK, he was created 15 years after Shadow, and he was created to protect (and if neccessary, destroy) the Ultimate Lifeforms. He also holds his own title/codename as "Ultimate Guardian". Of course, he is still related to Shadow, and I guess could still be considered one of the characters Kai is talking about.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round~ 22:00, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

then, there are Nora's, Xeon, Star, and Memee, all artifical lifeforms, yet, they don't call themselves Ultimate Lifeform, Spike doesn't think of himself as an Ultimate Lifeform, merely as a Pawn in Claw's game (the Ultimate Lifeform could be considered at the King Rank) - Chembur

Talkin about characters related to Shadow, not artificial lifeforms in general Chembur.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round~ 22:06, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I know, missing the point of that, whoever said Gerald was the only one who created an Artificial Lifeform? for all we know, some of those Characters could of been created by Geralds Rival (he probably did, like most others), they could be considered the Ultimate Lifweform by their Creators eyes - Chembur

Why would Gerald have rivals? He was one of the greatest, if not the best, scientific minds in the Sonic universe. Eggman surely doesn't mention anything about a rival and you need a biological sample to create a life form and only Gerald had access to the one that was needed. It would make no sense for someone to make a 'better' one and then not say anything about it. The point Herman and I were making as that there's just too much now. Millions of Ultimate Life Forms. Some just as good, and many far better than Shadow. Where's the originality in that? I know have no jurisdiction, but someone needs to draw the line. Kaihedgie 22:43, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

yet, there is one thing I will do, imagine a new user, who's MAIN character was an Ultimate Lifeform, if we don't allow them, then we just wrecked someone's Character, that is something I will never do to a new user, Wreck their main Fan character - Chembur

No, we can tell them that they can change it around that they'll still be an enhanced artificial life form. Any 'Ultimate Life Forms' that came before Shadow aboard that ARK aren't really such at all. They're simply prototypes, facsimiles of the the real deal Kaihedgie 22:49, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

This is also comes to another problem regarding fanfics. How many fanfics about another Ultimate Life Form can you recall? I seem to recall that most of those weren't indicated by the authors as an alternate universe or taking place outside of the main story. Simply put, it conflicts with both canon and logic Kaihedgie 22:53, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

similar to Star, who was the prototype of the Life Project, but from people and their selfish wishes, he was able to achieve Perfect Mode, in which he was sealed away - Chembur

It's not hard to be creative, Shadow is "The Ultimate Lifeform", but why do nyou have to be an Ultimate Lifeform? I have a concept character known as R.A.G.E.; Revolutionary Advancements in Genetic Engineering - Dark Paladin Danny 16:47, January 7, 2010 (UTC)