Talk:Mel the Hedgehog

What do you guys think?--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 03:25, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Cool, but...Mel still cannot use Glyphs, nor copy them. They are exclusive to Shanoa, and, to an extent, Albus. (And by extent, I mean Agartha). Ryushu the Cat 13:18, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Well, if he saw how they were used, copied it, and could get his hands on some glyphs, then he could in fact use them.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 15:02, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

He couldn't just "get his hands on some Glyphs". They're not physical entities; they are pure magic. They only resemble symbols. And even if Mel could get a hold of a glyph, he could never use Dominus. Ryushu the Cat 16:41, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Not unless he saw Shanoa use it first. If he saw that, then he would be able to use it just as well as Shanoa can. You have to remember, Mel is basically an organic Emerl; he was created to be able to learn and grow. However, his copying abilities extend beyond even Emerl's, due to Mel's unique genetic makeup.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 16:45, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Nope nope nope, uh-uh. Dominus would kill Mel if he tried to use it. It is exclusive to Shanoa only. Ryushu the Cat 16:47, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

* chuckles* Sorry Ryu, but you're out of luck. Yes, Mel wouldn't be able to copy powers that came from an external source without that source, I'll admit that. However, if he could get that source or item, and had seen how it was used, he would be able to copy everything neccessary to use that source or item. Basically, the only way he wouldn't be able to use Dominus, or any glyph, is of A. Shanoa keeps the glyphs away from him (which would be smart, since he's only 10), or B. She just doesn't use glyphs around Mel period.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 16:53, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

>:[ Ryushu the Cat 16:54, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

What? That's just how I made him. If it makes ya feel better, no power is an exception to Mel's copying powers. Not even Spike's Galactic Energy. And besides, all the knowledge of howto use the glyphs would be useless, without actually having any. He'd only be able to copy Shanoa's useage of the glyphs if he actually had the glyphs.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 17:08, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

I still don't like the fact that he can copy Dominus; and anyways, he'd be affected by the health drain effects of Dominus, as well as the Dominus Union's deadly backlash. Ryushu the Cat 17:10, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Yup, he'd copy every aspect of an attack, including their weaknesses and backlash. Just hope he never runs into anyone like this guy XD.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 17:18, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

What if he copied Pingas? Ryushu the Cat 17:21, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

0_0 .....that's.... *gulps* I think I threw up a little bit. Since he's 10 years old, I'd rather we not touch that subject. Anyway, I've been thinking of making a Roleplay revolving around him. What do you think?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 17:32, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Uh, I guess. H-Hey! You said you didn't have time for other Roleplays! Ryushu the Cat 22:21, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

What about kinetic abilties and robot abiltities(Which are built inside robots) Also if some one fixes or makes something liek let's say an estreme gear board would Mel know how to make it after watching them or does his ability only work for attacks.--Famotill 22:26, December 11, 2009 (UTC)Famotill

Oh, wait, did I say that? And Famotill, yes, he would be able to copy kinetic abilities and robot abilities. And yes, if he saw someone fix, make, or use Extreme Gear, he too would be able to do the same.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 22:33, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm intresting, I know one person he may have a hard time copying and that would be Shamia. As her physical power source is her soul. So to copy he would have to kill her which I doubt he would do because Shamia isn't evil.Also has any one specific or important created him or just some random scientist--Famotill 22:37, December 11, 2009 (UTC)Famotill

No, he wouldn't have to kill her. If he witnessed her using her powers, he would be able to copy them perfectly, using his own soul as a power source. And he wasn't created by any one person, but a team of G.U.N. scientists.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 22:40, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

But Shamia's power is within her. It is involved with the Dark and Light Gaia, and if he was to do that then he could potentially become bouned to Shamia and Hector's souls(Meaning if he has it he would lose immortality). Oh and having any luck with his design(If you have one in mind)--Famotill 22:43, December 11, 2009 (UTC)Famotill

Ohhhh, there powers come from the Gaias. If that's the case, then Mel might be able to mimic the attack(s), but not perfectly copy them. As I told Ryu, he cannot perfectly copy and use techniques that come from a seperate source, without having access to that source himself. As for his design, I already have that all figured out. I just haven't drawn him yet.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 22:46, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

The essences of the Glyphs are contained within Shanoa's very body and mind; they are inacessible to others. Ryushu the Cat 22:50, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Oh okay, but I am glad you made him young. He would be a great rival for Fou since like Fou he has grat potential. Oh and he and my artificial Shadow sibling Rip the Hedgehog are the same age. Though they have completely opposite personalities(This of course means all of the shadow siblings have a new brother or in some cases a half brother.) Anyway can wait to see his design!--Famotill 22:51, December 11, 2009 (UTC)Famotill

and Galactic Energy cannot just be copied, it must be obtained by a Galactic Emerald - Chembur

Alright, now that would be an internal source, which Mel can copy. He can't copy powers that come from an external source without access to that source, and he can adapt his body to be able to use powers that come from the User themself. Unless of course, the Glyphs are an external source, with Shanoa simply being a vessel. As for Galactic energy, it would be the same as Chaos Energy. If Mel saw someone tap into and use Galactic Energy, he would be able to do the same.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 22:56, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Shanoa could be considered a Glyph vessel...really, it's very hard to explain the existence of Glyphs. Agartha, however, is definitely a vessel. Ryushu the Cat 22:58, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

or destroy the Universe, have you been listening to where Galactic Energy comes from? (this is where Anox tapped into to obtain Galactic Energy)

Yes, I read about Galactic Energy, and if he saw someone tap into and use Galactic Energy, he would be able to do the same. If he saw Anox being used, he would be able to copy that. If he saw a Galactic Emerald used, he would also, be able to copy it.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 23:04, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Dark Matter, 90% of the Universe, unseen, the material that makes the sky Dark at Night, and if anyone else, not gifted with Galactic Energy, used it well...

DRAMATIZATION

(the Universe is being completely Destroyed, from the Big Rip, within a matter of seconds) the Big Rip started since the Big Bang, it is the opposite, it destroys everything, it starts from the outer of the Universe to the innner.

END

and thats what would happen, Anox is a Living creature, the original destroyer of the Amegeddon of the Universe (DarkSpirits transformation), Anox is the only one who can Gift Galactic Energy - Chembur

Kagi, are you gonna make that RP about Mel yet? I'm curious to see how he and Kotuumath would interact. Ryushu the Cat 16:45, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully at some point, but definately not within the next 2-3 weeks. I have to get caught up in P.E. this week. Then, I'm using my Winter Break to finish some other stuff I promised to do for a friend over at the SNN.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 16:53, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. But what do you think would happen if Mel met Kotuumath? Ryushu the Cat 21:24, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Well, Mel would be an innocent child (as he is), possibly reaching Kotuumath's soft side. He would also copy any and all of Kotuumath's moves if he saw Kotuumath in battle.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 21:27, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

That means that he would obtain a copy of Kotuu's sword, right? Ryushu the Cat 21:29, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Nope. If Kotuu already had the sword, Mel would simply copy his skill and fighting style with the sword. However, if he saw Kotuu materialise the sword, then Mel would copy that, and be able to materialise the same sword.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 21:33, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, okay.

Kotuumath: What now? "Copy my sword"?

Ryu: Oh, chillax, Kotuu.

Kagi: Yeah. You shouldn't even be slaughtering people in front of a 10-year-old anyway!--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 21:39, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Kotuumath: They're not people; they're criminals!! They deserve to die!!

It's still traumatizing and emotionally scarring!--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 21:42, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Kotuumath: You wanna know what's traumatizing and emotionally scarring?! Watching your whole family DIE!!

Ryu: Er.....

(um, i have to ask: since he can copy every single move on the face of the planet, then what are his weaknesses?) Midnight Wolf  Don't be hatin'!  00:17, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

When he copies a move, he copies everything. It's power, it's usage; it's weaknesses. Get the idea?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 00:19, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

ohhhhhh Midnight Wolf  Don't be hatin'!  00:20, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Also, why does Mel dislike Fou? Ryushu the Cat 20:22, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Well, both are very close to Statyx. They're like two young siblings who don't want to share the attention they get from their "parent".--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 20:27, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Oh. Ryushu the Cat 20:27, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry though, their rivalry doesn't go beyond the usual little kid stuff.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 20:29, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, good. Ryushu the Cat 20:30, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

when Mel copies others' powers, does he keep the abilities, or does he have them for a certain amount of time? (sry that i keep bothering you about his sort of thing)<font size="2.9" face="Matisse ITC"> Sunny the Hedgehog   --Is a crazy hedgehog  21:15, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it sorta depends I guess. Some abilities he may use only once, then pretty much forget (or just never use them again), while others may become part of his usual moveset. I never really thought about it actually.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 23:54, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Would it be ok if the Trolls have a need for his DNA in particular? I have plans with my version of Matt the Hedgehog becoming Matt the Mimic (So he mimics a tonne of people), then Mel beating him in a massive battle, then the trolls using Mel's DNA to complete Reaper Mk III (Mk II is while he's waiting for Mel's DNA) Flashfire   Master of   Flames  10:50, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

I can kind of imagine what Mel would look like, if you need a picture of him. Shima the Hedgehog 13:36, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

@Flash: I don't know. I'm flattered that you want to use Mel as a big part of a plot, but I'm just not too sure. Lemme think about it.

@Shima: Thanks Shima, but I already have his design set up (though I might change it a bit). I've just been really busy with stuff, or keep forgetting.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 14:59, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

hey kagi can Mel copy god powers p.s. my signature isn't working so I'm left with typing it cynder500

Hey, another question. Would Mel be able to copy forms, such as Super, Hyper and the like, or even the transformation sequence? Flashfire  Master of   Flames  07:28, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hm.... never really considered it. I do have ideas for his own super form, but actually copying super forms never really came to me.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 15:20, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

What if Mel copied the powers of these guys?--<font style="Matisse ITC">  Purple Paw Studios  "MOAR!!" 16:05, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

That depends, how strong are they? Oh, and will Project Apocalypse see a revival?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 18:28, January 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) Very strong.
 * 2) Of course!--<font style="Matisse ITC">  Purple Paw Studios  "MOAR!!" 18:29, January 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) ) Well then he would be as powerful as all 3 of them combined, on top of whatever other powers he already copied.
 * 2) ) Great!--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 18:32, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Could he even manage to copy Ka, the Great Wheel of Being, or perhaps Buer, the Black Wheel of Decay?--<font style="Matisse ITC">  Purple Paw Studios  "MOAR!!" 18:35, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Does "limitless copying powers" mean anything?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 18:36, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Copying Ka would be good. But copying Buer...everything would be f***ed.--<font style="Matisse ITC">  Purple Paw Studios  "MOAR!!" 18:38, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah? Well imagine him copying Celestial!--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 18:39, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Ahem. Buer is the SFW parallel to Satan. So.....--<font style="Matisse ITC">  Purple Paw Studios  "MOAR!!" 18:41, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I avoided making Celestial an actual "creator", to avoid religious conflict, but I'd say that they'd be pretty much equal.

Ka's not a creator either...he's just always been there. same with Buer. They are the two Wheels that turn throughout all universes and dimensions... The Light and the Dark. The Purpose and the Random. The Life and the Death. --<font style="Matisse ITC">  Purple Paw Studios  "MOAR!!" 18:45, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

So yeah, they'd be pretty much equal.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 18:47, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. do you have an idea for how Celestial would look?--<font style="Matisse ITC">  Purple Paw Studios  "MOAR!!" 18:49, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Yup.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 18:56, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Kewl. I has idea as to how Buer would look, too. Imma make it on Spore, though.--<font style="Matisse ITC">  Purple Paw Studios  "MOAR!!" 18:57, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

You know what's really sad? Sunny really dislikes children....all of them...so I dont think she'd like Mel very much~ -- Clytemnestra Vidal  I dont suffer from insanity...I enjoy every second of it!  01:52, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Ryu: Awww.... ;~;--<font style="Matisse ITC">  "That's Mama Luigi to you, Mario!"  ----"Tssssssst." 01:55, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

J: Meh. I don't blame Sunny.

N: Last time I babysitted children, they started to beat me constantly as if I was a piñata >_>.

Mel: *tilts his head to the side curiously and innocently*

Sunny: *glares at Mel and growls* I bet you arent so innocent...

Mel: ???

Sunny: Hmph. *turns away*

Tec: Sorry Mel...she's such a douchebag.

(Ryu hugs Mel protectively.)

Mel: But.... *goes up to Sunny and hugs her* she's still my big sister.

J: My lil' sister is not a douchebag ;~;....

Sunny: AUUUUUUGH! GET OFF OF ME! NOW!

Mel: But why?

Sunny: Because! Grrr...just because! OFF!

N: [comforting J] Yeah, and children would mistake me for a punching bag. I got nasty bruises yesterday that got from my face and.... I think you know the rest.

Ryu: Not ALL children are like that, you guys!

N: Why don't you ask Sunny? But then again, I would just focus on making my big bro feel better.

Ryu: I'm NOT asking Sunny, because she hates ALL children. -_-"

Sunny: Oh, you'll be suprised! All children are little devils, deep down inside! They may look cute, but they're evil! *keeps trying to break way from Mel's hug*

N: [notices J feeling better] Better now?

J: Yeah... [gets up]

N: Okay. How 'bout you let me handle this.

J: Okay...

N: [approaches torwards Mel]

Sunny: Alright, you've reduced me to begging. Please stop hugging me.

N: [to Mel] Kid, I think now's a good time to let go of Sunny. And please, don't ask why, because I don't like kids too, and neither does my [thumbs over to J] brother.

Ryu: You guys make me angreh...

J: [groans] Then why don't you go talk to Mel, Ryu?