User blog:Genesjs/My views on the SFW

This is a conversation I was having on the Shout Box, in which I was explaining my views and discussing with several users about the SFW. Please read the whole thing before posting any comments, so you'll understand the siutation more clearly.

[18:27]  Stolen art, lack of a good appearance...this wiki has seemed uncreative lately.

[18:28] ... I have to give Twist props.....for a fanon wiki, CPFW is handled well.

[18:28]  What about me..?

[18:40]  Not everyone is uncreative, only the art thiefs.

[18:44]  No,

[18:44] ... There ARE MANY MANY users on here who are evry uncreative.

[18:44]  I don't theif. I KILL thieves. I even decided to protect myself against them

[18:44]  _*very

x [18:45] ... An example of an uncreative user?

x [18:45]  Well, that can be true. Like redos of the sonic team

x [18:45]  FusiontheHedgehog.

x [18:45] ... Nero.

x [18:46] ... Need I say more?

x [18:46]  This large-scale lack of creativity prompted me to make [http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! this ].

x [18:46]  Ehhh....Nero isn't that bad. Fusion, I dunno.

x [18:47]  Nero's characters are HORRIBLE!

x [18:47] ... Red Shadow with Black streaks?

x [18:48]  He has been changing them lately. And he can make good stories

x [18:48] ... True about the art.

x [18:48]  His Grammar?

x [18:48]  It would be awkward if Nero came on at this minute,

x [18:48]  I couldn't even read the story he put in my contest.

x [18:48]  Aye, he does overuse apostrophe and capitals

x [18:48] <Genesjs> There are too many characters here that have art of them that are recolors.

x [18:49] <Artemiscat55> But he's really not that bad.

x [18:49] ... there's far worse.

x [18:49] <Sharnathehedgehog> He can't spell!

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:50] <Artemiscat55> He just has to learn. That's all.

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:50] <Schoolbus13> Fanon wikis are supposed to be full of creativity, this is (sort of) pathetic.

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:50] <Sharnathehedgehog> How old is he?

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:50] <Artemiscat55> He's far from a bad user.

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:50] ... ...good question

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:50] <Schoolbus13> Some of the art and the wiki's look says the same thing.

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:51] <Genesjs> I agree with SB right now.

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:51] <Schoolbus13> "A town may have the best schools, but the decaying buildings make it look like a hick town."

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:51] <Genesjs> This place is supposed to inspire creativity, but its doing a poor job of doing so

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:52] <Schoolbus13> This wiki may have GOOD roleplays, but the look makes it look pathetic-ish.

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:52] ... There's a lot to be done, Gen.

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:53] <Genesjs> I know, but here's the problem: A lot of people here are unwilling to give up what they already have

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:53] ... in order to improve, due to the belief that their fanon is "okay"

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:53] <Artemiscat55> I'm willing to do art for my charas, if I could. I'm willing to change my charas to make them unqie

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:53] <Schoolbus13> You're right....

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:54] <Artemiscat55> I don't like it looking like trolls or recolors

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:54] <Genesjs> And that there is no flaws in them. A lot of us are unwilling to change anything because of that

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:54] <TrinitySkye> wow....... what the heck happened to the gallery?

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:54] <Artemiscat55> I have thousands of flaws.

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:54] ... And I fix what I can

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:54] <Schoolbus13> That "it's the best already" philosophy will get this wiki nowhere. Look at us, it's been 2 years!

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:55] ... The wiki STILL looks the same. >:(

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:55] <Artemiscat55> I have to go, seeya. Good luck revamping!

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:55] <Genesjs> @Artemis: If you could tells me that you're unwilling to do so, because how hard is it to

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:55] ... simply grab a pencil and make a few simple drawings?

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:55] <Schoolbus13> @Skye: Wikia may be performing minor upgrades at times. Try the Slideshow, it's neat!

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:56] <Genesjs> @SB: It will stay the same unless everyone here decides to try to be more original with their

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:57] ... ideas, but that apparently will never happen because if some of us develop the gull to give out

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:57] ... criticism on their work, some may take it as a personal attack and throw a huge fit.

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:58] ... I've seen that happen a hell lot of times around here, and its sickening to look at.

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:58] <Sharnathehedgehog> I agree, Gen.

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:59] <Schoolbus13> People here don't like criticism in general, thus, nothing will ever improve.

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:59] ... Gen, you're a bureaucrat, why don't you make some changes?

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [18:59] <Genesjs> The reason why I haven't left this place yet is because several of the friends I have here who DO

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [19:00] ... have the sense to understand whats going on here are still coming here. If they stopped doing so,

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [19:00] ... I'd leave here without another word.

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [19:00] ... SB: Unfortunately, I may not, because as we already just stated, some users don't think we need to

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [19:01] ... change anything, and some of them may put up some resistence if I suddenly announce a bunch of chang

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [19:01] ... changes*

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [19:01] ... You can look at all the trouble that's been made because of the Pokemon attack articles in order to

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [19:01] ... understand what I'm talking about.

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [19:02] ... This whole place is like a giant bomb thats waiting to explode in more chaos at any given moment.

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [19:03] ... If someone disrupts the so-called order around here, all hell breaks loose and people right and left

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [19:03] ... either demand that the person(s) responsible for "destroying the peace: be banned, or they threaten

[http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance! x ] [19:04] ... to leave and come back when they get their way. Do you see how futile this place has become?

x [19:06] <Schoolbus13> Yes, I have. We've seen that many times before. This wiki needs to straighten out.

x [19:07] <Genesjs> Assuming, of course, that's even possible.

x [19:07] ... BTW, I looked at your blog, and I think that adding those changes you suggested might work.

x [19:09] ... I'd suggest making our own custom skin for the SFW, but IDK how to make cutsom Wiki skins...

x [19:10] <Sharnathehedgehog> Ask SNN people.

x [19:11] <Schoolbus13> Help:Customizing_Monaco

x [19:11] ... That's how you can modifty a skin.

x [19:13] <Genesjs> I see.

x [19:15] ... Well, I just found yet another problem with this God-forsaken Wiki

x [19:15] <Shadow-Flare> gero yo

x [19:15] <Genesjs> Some of the Admins are lying about our actions, like KP did here

x [19:16] ... http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Schoolbus13/Appearance!

x [19:17] ... I can't work with the other Admins here if they themselves can't act like team players.

x [19:18] <Shadow-Flare> ive no idea who shahooter is

x [19:19] <Schoolbus13> Shahooter the Owl

x [19:19] <Tails6000> .......

x [19:19] <Schoolbus13> @Gen: We need a change in leadership. We need admins who care about the wiki and how its handled....

x [19:20] <Tails6000> .........nu-uh...not me I'm already admin at a different fanon wiki

x [19:20] <Schoolbus13> @Twist: I have to give you props, Twist, unlike us, CPFW is organized.

x [19:21] <Tails6000> thank you SB

x [19:21] ... besides. I give vandals the banhammer sometimes

x [19:21] <Schoolbus13> It has a government, Twist! I've seen the wiki myself.

x [19:21] <Tails6000> but we rarely get vandals much anymore

x [19:21] ... I know :3

x [19:21] ... I kinda feel like resigning but...my friends are on there I can't leave them

x [19:22] ... I stay because my friends care

x [19:22] <Schoolbus13> We should use CPFW as a model for this wiki, Gen.

x [19:23] <Genesjs> @SB: I know we do, but like I said, I've just about given up on this place.

x [19:23] <Tails6000> .............please...I am NOT becoming admin for this

x [19:23] ... I think I'm too immature for the role

x [19:23] <Genesjs> I know what will happen if we try to do any serious changes. Just getting rid of certain articles

x [19:23] <Tails6000> besides. I got a role as admin there

x [19:23] <Genesjs> almost destroyed this place

x [19:24] ... @TwisT: There's no way in hell I'm ever letting you become an Admin here.

x [19:24] <Tails6000> but still

x [19:24] <Schoolbus13> Well......even though some admins can be irresponsible, there are admins who would like to help...

x [19:24] <Tails6000> ......THANK YOU

x [19:24] <Schoolbus13> ...like Ryu.

x [19:24] <Tails6000> but still thats both thankful, yet angering

x [19:25] ... besides. I WAS THINKING OF A PETITION but I never did so

x [19:25] ... because 1. I think it would count as sucking up to admins, and 2...downright stupid

x [19:25] ... but still I'd rather jump and kill myself than have adminship on 2 wikis

x [19:25] <Genesjs> @SB: Yes, and Gamergirl would help too, but Kag and several others will complain because she,

x [19:25] <Schoolbus13> @Gen: Well, we should at least make some minor changes in the short-term....

x [19:26] <Genesjs> according to Kag, is someone who is completely unfot for Adminship

x [19:26] <Schoolbus13> ...like taking a look at the Main Page.

x [19:26] <Genesjs> unfit*

x [19:26] <Kagimizu> (shrugs) I ran for adminship on that forum. I care about this place. I'm on often.

x [19:26] <Tails6000> ....

x [19:26] <Kagimizu> I'm far from perfect though.

x [19:27] <Tails6000> yeah like him I am here often but well...like gen said I'm waaaaaaay unfit for that

x [19:27] ... but I might be fit for rollback

x [19:27] ... like he said one other time :3

x [19:27] <Shadow-Flare> never really cared for adminship really

x [19:28] <Kagimizu> And for the record Gen, I never said she was unfit for admnship in general.

x [19:28] <Tails6000> yeah me neither, but CPFW was like mny dream to be admin with my freinds

x [19:28] <Genesjs> @SB: You are one of the few members who I actually respect around here, because you're mature enough

x [19:28] <Tails6000> especially with my friend speeddasher

x [19:28] <Genesjs> to look at a situation from multiple perspectives.

x [19:28] <Schoolbus13> Thank you, Gen.

x [19:28] <Genesjs> I wouldn't mind you being an Admin here.

x [19:29] <Tails6000> and sincerely. I'll be right back, gotta send him a message to come join us :3

x [19:29] ... .....

x [19:30] <Shadow-Flare> what happen to shout box. it shrank

x [19:30] <Schoolbus13> IDK how that happened, all of our messages were just deleted....

x [19:30] <Sharnathehedgehog> I ate them

x [19:30] ... Nom Nom Nom nom.

x [19:30] <Schoolbus13> And only admins can delete messages!

x [19:31] ... Gen didn't do it....and no other administrator is on the "Box"...

x [19:31] <Genesjs> Well, don't look at me, I didn't delete them. The Shout Box must've reset.

x [19:31] <Schoolbus13> True..

x [19:32] <Shadow-Flare> probly just a random reset

x [19:32] <Genesjs> No one can delete that many messages at once.

x [19:33] <Artemiscat55> Back!

x [19:33] <Schoolbus13> Oh well.......random stuff can happen when you don't think it's coming.

x [19:33] <Genesjs> True

x [19:34] ... Anyway, I agree that the Administrative staff needs to be redone a little.

x [19:35] ... If there is anyone who I'd like to be Admins, it SB and Shima.

x [19:35] ... its*

x [19:35] <Kagimizu> I know I'm not on the list.

x [19:35] <Artemiscat55> Shima and Schoolbus, I support!

x [19:36] <Genesjs> SB is very intelligent and is able to recognize a situation quickly, and Shima is mature enough to

x [19:37] ... try to learn quickly how to do a good job in an Administrative position.

x [19:37] ... In time, she could be a great Admin.

x [19:37] <Artemiscat55> Yep!

x [19:38] <Shadow-Flare> .*thumbs up*

x [19:38] <Artemiscat55> She can brush things off, too...She handled her relationship problem well.

x [19:38] ... comparatively, anyway

x [19:39] <Tails6000> back

x [19:39] <Kagimizu> Um, hold on KP.

x [19:39] ... Gen*

x [19:39] ... Nvrmind.

x [19:39] <Genesjs> IDK how much longer I'm gonna stay here though, because i'm very certain I know where this place is

x [19:39] <TrinitySkye> yawn

x [19:39] <Genesjs> going anyway.

x [19:40] <Artemiscat55> Aww...I'll miss ya, gen.

x [19:40] ... If ya do leave, I'll try to remember to carry on your values!

x [19:40] <Tails6000> me too *hugs*

x [19:41] <Genesjs> @Artemis: My values actually mean something to anyone here?

x [19:41] <TrinitySkye> leaving? Sounds good

x [19:41] <Kagimizu> A little early for the farewell party, isn't it?

x [19:41] <TrinitySkye> 'cause I've been thinking about leaving too

x [19:41] <Kagimizu> Oh, and hey Skye...

x [19:41] <Genesjs> What do you mean?

x [19:42] <Tails6000> yeah, they ahve. I've taken thingas to thought, I need to mature before I run for anything here

x [19:42] ... things*

x [19:42] <Schoolbus13> We might be there already. We've dug ourselves into a VERY deep hole.

x [19:42] <Kagimizu> Okay, now what are you guys talking about?

x [19:43] <Schoolbus13> ...Pulling ourselves out will take a lot of effort from both admins and regular users.

x [19:43] <Shadow-Flare> really *looks up* wow your right

x [19:43] <Genesjs> @SB: You have no idea how close you are from the truth

x [19:43] <Kagimizu> I'll admit SFW is not a perfect place, but you guys are starting to make it sound just plain ter

x [19:43] <Genesjs> to the truth&

x [19:43] <Kagimizu> I'll admit SFW is not a perfect place, but you guys are starting to make it sound just plain ter

x [19:43] <Genesjs> to the truth&

x [19:43] <Kagimizu> terrible*

x [19:44] <Sharnathehedgehog> Everything here is messed up....

x [19:44] <Kagimizu> SFW is not perfect, deffinately, but it's not like the place is filled with Trolls, spam, and

x [19:44] <Genesjs> @Kag; That's because it is plain terrible.

x [19:44] <Kagimizu> vandalism.

x [19:44] ... How so?

x [19:45] <Genesjs> It doesn't have to be like that in order for it to be terrible.

x [19:45] <Schoolbus13> It's not terrible....it's just unorganized.

x [19:45] <Tails6000> yeah, what SB said

x [19:45] <Schoolbus13> Our reponse to vandal attacks is one problem.

x [19:45] <Genesjs> The members here are very immature and are unable to tell the difference between

x [19:45] <Tails6000> we need to organize things here

x [19:45] <Kagimizu> This place won't win any big awards anytime soon, but I fail to see what makes it seem so awful.

x [19:46] <Shadow-Flare> ill agree with that

x [19:46] <Genesjs> corrective criticism and personal attacks, and are unwilling to get rid of anything

x [19:46] ... without throwing a fit. Furthermore, they almost destroyed this place just because they didn't get

x [19:46] <Kagimizu> "The members here"? That my friend is your first mistake; not everyone here is immature. That

x [19:46] <Genesjs> compliments on their fanon from certain people.

x [19:46] <Kagimizu> generalization won't make things any easier for you.

x [19:47] <Genesjs> Well, the majority of the members here are

x [19:47] <Kagimizu> Gen, right now what I'm seeing is a bad case of generalization concerning the SFW, its members, and

x [19:48] ... contents.

x [19:48] ... Are there immature people here? Yes, but only a few, and none I can name.

x [19:49] <Genesjs> Did you not hear what i said? I said that the majority of the members act that way, that

x [19:49] <Schoolbus13> Let's just say this...this wiki is below average...not terrible.

x [19:49] <Genesjs> doesn't mean I'm saying everyone here is like that.

x [19:49] <Kagimizu> Is there some less-than-exce;;ent content here? Yes, but that's the price of being a fanon wiki

x [19:49] <Tails6000> ummm there's me on immaturity (not to interuppt)

x [19:49] <Kagimizu> it accepts both good and bad fanon, so long as no rules are broken.

x [19:49] <Genesjs> Well, to me its terrible. I can't recall the number of times I busted my ass for this place, only to

x [19:50] <Kagimizu> excellent*

x [19:50] <Genesjs> deal with the very same problems I work hard to get rid of before.

x [19:50] <Kagimizu> What issues would those be?

x [19:51] <Genesjs> @Kag: How about everyones issues with Guyviroth and his supporters? I got several headaches trying

x [19:51] <Kagimizu> Because Gen, I'm pretty sure that most issues on any and all wikis are recurring and pretty much

x [19:51] ... endless.

x [19:51] <Genesjs> to get every last person on this Wiki to understand our motives for doing certain things, and

x [19:52] ... criticizing certain people's work, only to be met with an army of Users who kept screaming "BAN GUY

x [19:52] <Artemiscat55> I'm not getting into anymore fights with Guy. Sharna asked me not to. So I won't.

x [19:52] ... I'm ignoring/tolerating him.

x [19:52] <Genesjs> OR ELSE WE WILL NEVER COME BACK HERE!! HE'S THE ENEMY, WE'RE THE VICTIMS!!"

x [19:53] <Kagimizu> Gen, calm down, okay?

x [19:53] <Genesjs> I tried to defend the concept of free speech in this place, and you guys gave me hell about it.

x [19:54] <Kagimizu> I'm going to ask that we push that issue aside, because it more or less doesn't affect the entire

x [19:54] <Artemiscat55> Hold on, Gen. Don't let rage cloud your thinking or your calm. It'll jsut get worse.

x [19:54] <Kagimizu> wiki.

x [19:54] <Genesjs> Is it really so f****** hard to understand this simple concept: "If you can't handle

x [19:54] <Tails6000> I just act normal around him (I'm okay-ish to him)

x [19:54] <Kagimizu> I suggest we move away from that issue to a different one, okay?

x [19:54] <Genesjs> criticism, then you shouldn't be postying anyhting on the Internet at all"

x [19:54] <Artemiscat55> .....okaaay...

x [19:54] <Genesjs> Question: Do you guys need reading glasses?

x [19:55] <Artemiscat55> I accept criticism. Because I can use it to better myself

x [19:55] <Tails6000> ....

x [19:55] ... me too

x [19:55] <Artemiscat55> No. Hopefully never will/

x [19:55] <Tails6000> but I don't take it well though

x [19:55] <Kagimizu> (sighs) Alright Gen, most people here can take criticism; it's how that criticism is delivered

x [19:55] <Genesjs> Did you not see the quotation marks I put around that all caps text I made?

x [19:55] <Tails6000> I'm just glad I used my isolation break on spring break

x [19:56] <Kagimizu> that most people end up having an issue with, alright?

x [19:56] <TrinitySkye> alright, seriously. Somebody care to explain what is happening?

x [19:56] <Genesjs> @Kag: Criticism is only delivered on one way, it's just that no one here wants to here that their

x [19:56] <TrinitySkye> as in, what are you guys talking about> One moment it's this, the next that

x [19:56] <Genesjs> fanon has flaws or is generic.

x [19:56] <Artemiscat55> @skye:Gen's raging, we're trying to calm him before he selfdestructs

x [19:57] <Genesjs> @Skye: I'm trying to explain how bad things really are on this Wiki

x [19:57] <Tails6000> .....

x [19:57] <Genesjs> @Artemis: You dont even know what raging is, you just need to learn how to read.

x [19:57] <Artemiscat55> From what other people say, we're one of teh best wikias, Gen

x [19:57] <Tails6000> look can I just kill myself now????

x [19:57] <TrinitySkye> To Art: That's not really a very nice way to explain it

x [19:57] <Kagimizu> Gen, criticism is delivered more than one way. It's how the criticism comes across or how it's said

x [19:58] <Shadow-Flare> ....

x [19:58] <Artemiscat55> I KNOW what raging is, Gen.

x [19:58] <TrinitySkye> To Tails: If you can't stand the commotion, stay low for a while

x [19:58] <Kagimizu> that can set them off.

x [19:58] <Artemiscat55> I've done it before. True, it was over amisunderstaing, but it was aserious

x [19:58] <Tails6000> thanks skye.....

x [19:58] <Artemiscat55> Anyway, I just got a level 71 shiny Delcatty in trade for a Rhydon.

x [19:58] ... So I'm gnna go play with it now

x [19:59] <Kagimizu> Now Gen, I suggest you calm odwn, okay? You're starting to get a little offensive towards others.

x [19:59] <Genesjs> @Artemis: Then you should be able to tell that i was just quoting what other people said, and not

x [19:59] ... yelling myself.

x [19:59] ... @Kag< No, you and some others here just need to learn to read.

x [19:59] <Artemiscat55> I know. I saw teh quotation makrs. I did jus ace a language test.

x [19:59] <Kagimizu> Okay Gen, when you start being curt/insulting to others, that should be your sign to take a deep

x [20:00] <Artemiscat55> Anway, I go now. Good luck improving SFW!

x [20:00] <Kagimizu> breath, and step back. I saw the quotation marks, and that's not what I'm talking about.

x [20:01] ... Telling people they need to learn how to read isn't something you'd say in a calm mood.

x [20:01] <Genesjs> I'm very calm, Kag, and I already said what I needed to say, and thanfully a few people took the

x [20:01] ... time to actually listen to what I was saying.

x [20:02] ... I just find it very frustrating to have several people talk over me when I'm trying to explain to

x [20:02] ... them what they wanna know.

x [20:02] <Kagimizu> Good. Now before the subject is taken any further, take a few deep breaths; it's looking like you're

x [20:02] ... getting riled up, and we both know (no offense) that that never ends well.

x [20:03] <TrinitySkye> so....Gen is trying to explain why this wiki sucks, and Kag is countering his claims....something

x [20:03] ... like that, rigth?

x [20:03] ... right*

x [20:03] <Genesjs> I don't need to be in a bad mood in order to give out "insults".

x [20:03] <Kagimizu> No no, I'm not trying to counter him or anything.

x [20:03] <Shadow-Flare> more or less

x [20:03] <Genesjs> @Skye: Pretty much, along with one or two more users.

x [20:04] <Kagimizu> And Gen, the point is that right now, it seems that you are in a bad mood.

x [20:04] <Genesjs> I'm annoyed, if that's what you're stating.

x [20:04] <Kagimizu> Look, I know the wiki isn't perfect, but I just don't see how it absolutely sucks, especially at

x [20:05] ... this moment.

x [20:05] ... Well Gen, now would be a good time to calm yourself down before annoyance turns to outright anger or

x [20:05] <Genesjs> ....That's because you didn't bother to listen to a thing that I was saying, and instead think up

x [20:05] <Kagimizu> rage.

x [20:06] <Genesjs> arguments that could prove me wrong, when you could've actually been trying to understand things

x [20:06] ... from my perspective.

x [20:06] ... prespective*