Talk:Splice The Hedgehog (RPG Fangame)

It sounds good! I can't wait to see what it will be like!Beware The Blizzards...

Thank you. Look around on Youtube to see a few videos of it.~Smash The Echidna~ 00:19, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

ive seen some of the video's. there very good. do you guy's make all the sprite. the edited one not sonic's and chara's like that?  Santer Quills  in  da  HOUSE   00:10, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

I'm srry man but this involves to much of the original characters, I disapprove of this.(-Battlelord7's approval) go to hell 00:15, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

I just edit the sprites. We edited them all ourselves. And also, Don't take the fact that the original characters are in it to be some sort of super generic adventure like most of the fanfics you see around the internet. (cough4kidscough) You don't know the whole story. There isn't enough said about the story for you to give a proper judgement about it. I brought in the original characters to

A: Give it more substance as a game.

B: Give it a more Sonic like feel.

C: Give Eggman the glory he deserves.

D: Eggman actually proves more importance to the story as a villain than you would think, and it would be impossible to go without him.

I'm not trying to change your mind about your opinion, I'm just defending my stand here.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 00:25, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

you've got skill's i'll give ya that  Santer Quills  in  da  HOUSE   00:35, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I still have a lot to learn about sprite editing. I'm no master, honestly.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 00:43, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

To be honest, I usually don't really like OCs being in the story like this, but I let it slide this time. 06:21, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

I've added a little more to the page. I planned to release a demo soon.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 00:01, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Smash-san Long time no see! This looks so cool I'm not much of a programer but is there anyway I can help with this? Black Chaos rise again! 06:15, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Don't worry, I believe I can handle this for now. But if I do have something, I'll ask you okay?~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 06:23, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Okay good luck! Black Chaos rise again! 17:01, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well, its good to know that people are right behind our backs if we ever need them.~Kapus/Hyper the Hedgehog 18:46, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 01:24, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

If anyone's interested, I added a video gallery the other day.

hey Smash.............since i thought it was so much of a hassle to try and get my own Sprite of a kirby on here (which by the way still hasn't worked) um could you help me by making him for me please? "FEEL MY WRATH" 03:56, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not taking sprite requests. I can never get them done. I have too much on my busy schedule as it is.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 04:08, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

I FINALLY managed to get an extension of the song "Full Force". It's the game's battle theme. It took me a long time. I could never find one, nor could I extend it myself since the song ended too soon before it even finished looping, so it didn't work. I am very lucky to have come across this.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 07:24, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Can you look at Station Square (after sonic adventure DX) for the model of Station square and also if it's possible could you have Twerunka jungle for a secret stage for after you complete the game? Sonicfan919 04:43, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Er...Why?~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 04:47, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

I would do it myself but I don't know how. Sonicfan919 04:51, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, But this isn't a group project that you can just throw your own stuff onto. You can add suggestions, but everything goes through me first. I already had plans for Station Square, and I don't know if I'll be able to add that other place either.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 04:59, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Can you at least tell me where to find the program? Sonicfan919 05:33, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Whether you mean the game or the RPGMaker 2003, No can do. The game hasn't been released so I'm not giving it out, and I can't find the RPGMaker on the internet. You'll have to google it and hope for success.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 12:50, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

It's okay I just found it but It's too hard I intend on downloading the XP version. Sonicfan919 16:59, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Getting Back To Work
I've been taking a long break. It's been nearly a month since the last update. As soon as I finish a couple of other things I've been working on, I will try to get back to work on this game. I'd lost all my motivation before, but thanks to my friend Daz, It's starting to come back to me. Daz and I are working on a little music project together. (He's making the music, I coach him.) And his music most likely will make it to this game. Listening to the stuff he came up with has brought my motivation back up little by little.

Now, Let me just write out a little To Do List for this game.

1: Completely refurbish Splice's house. Includes: Fixing the Stairs, Changing the furniture around, aligning the floors properly, possibly rearranging some rooms, Add the basement and secondary Treasure Room that never got connected to the house, Possibly some other things along the way.

2: Finish Sonic and Crystal's charsets. Sonic's needs a quick once over, and Crystal's was never completed. Includes: Jumping, Climbing, Swimming. Possibly the same treatment for Tab, since Kapus is busy with oh so many other things.

3: Remake the insides of the shops. Includes: Drug Store, Armor Shop, Burger Joint, Harry Chao's Rares(slightly), Flower Shop.

4: Add NPC's to Green Flower City. Includes: Few original designs, few generic designs. Species; Hedgehog, Fox, Cat, Squirrel, Very few Echidnas. List may grow overtime.

5: Begin Construction of Station Square. Includes: Continuation of the Story.

Five major things that I need to do. Even with all of that down, Green Flower City will still not be fully complete. I still have other things I need to do there. To list them, they are:

1: The Hotel by the Beach. 2: Hedgehog Park. For Petes sake, Hedgehog Park. That place was the first thing I'd been putting off since before this game even came to be. 3: The continued part of the Docks. 4: The Post Office. 5: The Library. 6: The Department Store. (Which might be a bit redundant, seeing how there's already a Drug Store for medicine, Armor shop(which burns down, by the way) and a Burger Joint for healing items. But hey, It could work.) 7: The Hint Shop. (Flame/Ignition's appearance.) 8: The Western Outskirts of Green Flower City. (Where Frost lives.) 9: City Hall, which ceases to exist. I have to put it somewhere. I think I'll put it in place of the Mall, which is yet another redundancy. 10: The insides of Speedy's, Smash's, Tab's, and Lucy's houses.

This is like twice as much as the five major things I need to do. Unlike the majors, These things can wait. (although I think that I can do the Hint Shop while remaking the other stores.) I can easily get back to these things as I'm coming back around to Green Flower City storywise. Although places like City Hall, and the department store, I don't know if they'll have any importance to the story so I'll have to find some time for them.

With that said, I should be getting back to work soon. Very soon.

~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 13:42, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

I will soon post a video showing the newest updates. I just added the under water stages feature recently.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 09:28, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Saw this on youtube,maybe you should let some people add their characters,but choice wise who's character you want in this game,anyway this game is cool.~Tailsman67~

Also can I have some tips on making a RPG game and can CS3 make RPG games?~Tailsman67~

No. No. Bad idea. I've already let a few of my friends make cameo appearances, and even two others have their characters playable. This game has like over 20 playable characters. To go over that is too much work.

Anyway, thanks.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 23:29, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what CS3 is. What kind of tips are you hoping for?~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 23:30, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Wish i new how to edit and do stuff like this One more soul to collect. EternalAbyssJustice 00:13, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Edit what, now?~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 00:16, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

The sprites and all that. One more soul to collect. EternalAbyssJustice 00:21, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Oh. Well, it's not too hard. Practice makes perfect. =P ~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 00:31, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sequel 0_0?! Starring Smash The Echidna o_o?! The game revolves around and is named after the currently ongoing RP: The Mystery of Skull Cross O_O?!COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!XD~Tailsman67~

Do you have a rough estimate of when this will be finished? Sonicfan919 04:08, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately not. It's pretty much just me working on it technically, though I've asked people to help with stuff like pics and sprites, etc. I'm nowhere near finished. The game's going to be pretty long.

Though I'm thinking about releasing it once I reach the end of the game, and then releasing a newer version with added content and new quests that open up after you beat the final boss. Think of it as a sort of "Final Mix" like in the Kingdom Hearts series.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 04:11, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Will there be a demo? Sonicfan919 04:12, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

I already released a demo elsewhere, but it was so glitchy I didn't release it anywhere else. I've been planning to release another demo once I fix up some more stuff. Mainly Smash's sprites and some other things here and there. I also plan to redo some of the skills and other stuff.

Also Speedy's getting a makeover. I can't say how big it is because I'm still waiting on my little brother to get his new design down. But I'd prefer not to release the demo beforehand.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 04:16, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Just curious, will you have an actual credits at the end of the game? Sonicfan919 22:36, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Of course I will. I mean, That's kind of required. I'll get flamed and boo'd off the stage if I didn't. I've been thinking about how to go about it for a long time now. ~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 22:38, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Another question,will there be a secret ending? Sonicfan919 22:40, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know about SECRET endings, but there are multiple endings depending on your actions. There's the Good Ending and the Bad Ending. The Bad ending stops the game earlier than it should, but you can go back and continue there. But when you get to the real end, where the Good ending should play, you get the worst ending. There's also a Best ending, which is basically an addon to the good ending if you beat the game 100%.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 23:04, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Best ending would then sort of be a secret ending then. Sonicfan919 20:25, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Well, True..~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 20:42, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

If Kapus can make the character, then I will officially boot Icicle from the cast and replace him with Lucy The Cat.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 04:01, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Where is this RP you call The Mystery of Skull Cross?~Tailsman67~

Okay, so I've been taking a break from working on this game for a little while. But now I'm getting back to work. Don't ask why, but I'm starting with the Cat Chao Garden. Anyway, I'm gonna upload some new videos of some songs I got for the game, remixed by my friend. They'll be up later today.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 11:46, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

When will this be downloadable or at leat a demo User: Apallo The Hedgehog 18:34, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Please do not ask me this question. It will be downloadable when it's ready.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 18:41, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Hey if there is a sequal can Apallo or Shock be in it this is shock: "Hi Im Shock"

No. Sorry, but no.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 04:31, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Awwwww Thats ok ill look around but do you know any one that could help me make a game im a Noob at it

User: Apallo The Hedgehog 17:50, August 22, 2011 (UTC) ~ABOVE17:50, August 22, 2011 (UTC)~

Well, my motivation to work on this game has finally returned.

Talk about crappy timing. I probably won't have much time to do much with this game for a while. -.-; Oh well, at least I had the time to redesign a boss, but it's a shame that it's actually one of the final bosses, so I can't really show it. ~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 10:37, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Back To Work
I'm going to try to resume work on this game, at long last. I've already done a few things here and there. But most importantly, I have decided that I should make it my top priority to complete every character in the roster. That way, I could easily (I hope) arrange the database in a way that would be easier to deal with. Of course, rearranging the database is a big chore of itself, as you need to change events linked to the things that are being changed, and make sure you don't miss any. The database is rather messy because I decided to work on several characters at once while progressing with the story. This isn't really the best of ideas, whether you like being organized or not. It'll start out organized, but sooner or later things will get out of hand.

That's why I need to do one thing at a time. Constantly I've had to search through an entire section of the database for a single thing. (these ranging from battle animations, monsters and monster groups.) It gets tiring, especially if you really can't find it.

So I'm going to work on the characters. I will not only finish the ones that aren't complete, but fix up and refresh the ones that are. Some characters will undergo a few changes in their skills. For example, Splice may be given a few more melee attacks. A few of Smash's skills will be replaced: Quick Blow has been changed to (a MUCH more useful skill) Bone Crusher, which is both stronger and lowers an enemies defense. Meteor Smash will be replaced with Divine Fist. (It always bothered me how he could summon a meteor from space...)

And Speedy? His whole skill list is scheduled to change.

And while I'm doing the characters, I also need to make all the weapons and items for them to equip. This means that I'll be working on making all of the Elemental Rings compatible with everyone.

Alongside this, They all still need their field sprites finished. More than half of them don't even have simple walking sprites. And most of the ones that do need to be fixed. Even Splice needs some work, here.

Right now I'm writing out a "To Do List", going into detail of what I need to do with every single character. I have an older one here, which I may refer to, but at this point a new one is in order.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 22:45, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Wow I can't wait for the second game!:DSonic1000 22:50, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't say anything about the second game. o.o; At this point I'm not even sure if there's gonna BE a second game. ~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 22:52, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oh,well if you need help with anything,call on me,or Tailsman67 cause I will be working on my game.:DSonic1000 22:56, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks.~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 23:02, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

It would be nice if u guys took the time to do reviews of people's fan games to see if any one onf them are good nough

when you do release it, i shalt enjoy playing it, until then i shalt wait and slowly delve into the deep abyss of insanity. why? because madness is quick enjoyable.  Forge master Shadow-Flare  00:25, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

I find editing this page to be somewhat awkward because I'm not really sure where to put the actual updates. =/ I guess I could put them here in the talk page, but the main page needs updating every now and then, too. I think the way I have it laid out is a little awkward..This page may get a complete makeover if I figure out a good way to rearrange things. ~Smash The Echidna~ http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 03:22, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

There are a ton of things about the plot that I'm currently trying to fit into this game. I've already written out the story from start to finish, but there's so much I left out along with some new things I want to add. I've been looking up and down the document I saved of it, trying to figure out where to squeeze in the pieces of the story, but I haven't gotten much done at all. Now I think I know what has to be done about this. I'm gonna be spending some time re-writing the whole story layout. No, I'm not really changing anything; I just need to make a fresh new draft. This'll probably take a long while, so I most likely won't be getting much spriting done. (not that I've been getting too much done lately, anyway. >_> ) I'm hoping to be able to add in all that I had in mind.~Smash The Echidna~  http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 17:16, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'd forgotten that all the video links in there are dead. =T I don't really feel like going through each one and fixing them right now though. Though this whole page actually needs a makeover. I'll get around to doing that later.~Smash The Echidna~  http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421224452/sonicfanon/images/0/04/Smash_life.png 00:32, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Awsome!!!! I wish i wuz that good at makeing fan gmaes!!!Mailjesuru 22:20, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

I noticed that there was a screenshot of the fangame with some graphics from EarthBound, but no credit for Shigesato Itoi. I know this is kind of nerdy and not much people care about credits, but still.

-Fastpager200 [As an anon, as usual]

Tell me, does this game need a music creator? I would like to help out a bit, if I can. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  23:28, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, after looking near the bottom of the page, I take it that you don't. Haha. I'm sorry :P  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  23:31, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Nonononon waitwaitwaitwait don't leave yet! D:

My main guy for that is taking a really long hiatus from remixing, and it's unclear whether or not he even plans to get back into the business. And I'd asked someone else to help compose original songs, but so far he's only made one, and that was well over a year&a half ago.

So yeah, I kinda do need someone to fill in a spot. Either way I'm always open to anyone willing to help. Tell me, what can you do for me?~Smash The Echidna~  02:10, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I haven't done anything much like this before but I recently started composing small random tunes... I play piano a LOT and so I know a lot about music and how it works. Did you guys really only compose one song? Well then, I'd be happy to make a few short tunes for you. I don't have any good recording software, but I have enough to make the quality reasonable. I have an midi program, so if that's acceptable you can get some quality but I doubt it's the best at its job.

You could always get me something short to work on, we'll give it some time, and if you like the results well... Whaddya reckon? PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  11:26, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I think the best way to start would be to show me an example of what you can do. How about making a rendition of the game's main theme? I've always wanted to hear the song played on piano.

But that's just my suggestion. You can do whatever you want so long as I get a good grasp on what you're capable of by ear.~Smash The Echidna~  21:48, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, if you want to start with that I'll go for it. Obviously I won't use just piano if I end up making some of the songs (unless you want me to), but since I love piano I agree that it's a good place to start. Unfortunately I'm doing homework right now so I can't listen to the theme at this very moment, but I will as soon as I can. I'll see if I can come up with some other stuff too based on that theme and anything else I can find. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  21:58, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Great, looking forward to hearing what you can do. ~Smash The Echidna~  22:12, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Wait... it's just the Sonic Mega Collection Plus theme? I viewed like the first minute or so of some of your other videos, and found that some of the music I'd heard before (I recognized some Super Smash Bros. music in that dojo :D) and some of it I'd never heard before (but that doesn't mean it's not from a game I don't have). So, how much of this game's music is original? I'm not saying using pre-made music is bad, I'm just interested to learn more and see how much I can help :).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  23:44, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

(Forgot to log-in, mate.) Yes, it's just the Mega Collection main theme. I have like, 3-4 different remixes of it for different occassions, though I haven't uploaded any just yet. The best one would have to be the heroic mix. (I'll show you just as soon as I figure out how to upload an audio file directly to the wiki.)

Most of the soundtrack consists of remixes. There is only one original song in the game; A road through the earth. I was hoping to get more original songs, some with bits and pieces of the main theme in them, but that didn't really happen.~Smash The Echidna~  23:55, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, that's a cool theme... I'm still pretty shocked that there's only one. I could easily make some soundtracks like that (minus a lot of those choral voices, I mean honestly), it's short and catchy which is just my thing. If you want, I'll give a shot at a tune or two and see if you like it. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  00:10, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed by the lack of original tracks. The guy who was doing them got caught up with college and I haven't heard from him since. (Though he was the one who composed it, it came out as a midi originally and I had my remixer, Daz, take it and finish the job in adding the chorus.) ~Smash The Echidna~  00:14, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Well, we all get busy at times. I'm kind of busy myself this week, but I'm nowhere near college age yet. It's pretty safe to say that I'll have time to work on this every so often, but you can never tell. Well, give me a topic, such as an environment (forest, mountain, volcano, Eggman's base etc.) or whatever and I'll get a start on it sometime soon. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  00:23, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, let's see. How about a theme for Fox Forest? It's a generally peaceful place just outside Greenflower city, meaning you technically shouldn't encounter any enemies there at all. ~Smash The Echidna~  00:27, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Great! I'll hopefully have like a draft or something done over the long weekend, but I'll try to start earlier if I can. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  00:37, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again. Also, I've figured out how to embed the music here. Let's see if it works. ~Smash The Echidna~  03:10, March 27, 2013 (UTC)



Well, I got "Missing Plug-In" or whatever, but I downloaded it and it sounds cool! I also wanted to ask, when you put music in your game, does it have to be under a certain file size and/or under a certain length? I mean, it doesn't really matter with what I'm doing now but if the pieces I make end up being in the game, well... PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  11:17, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry about that. Just go all out.~Smash The Echidna~  16:02, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

You got it :).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  21:52, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

You may have already fixed this, but in your Splice the Hedgehog Part 1: Introductions etc. video, when Splice picks up the first treasure chest and recieves the Silver Ring, it says, "Thats worth 25 rings." It should be "That's worth 25 rings." Just thought I should let you know.

I honestly don't remember if I did or not, but thanks for pointing that out.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  23:18, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

I finished Fox Forest, I think. For some reason when I converted it to mp3 from the midi I made, the bass part became inaudible. I really don't know why and I'll try to fix it sometime but the end result still turned out well. But I guess if you think this would be better than the version with the bass part, then that's cool cause we can move on :P.

Well, I've now converted the mp3 to ogg like you did for the Heroic Theme. I'm not sure we'll get the same sound out of it as we would if it were an mp3, but it sounds the same on Audacity so here goes nothing...



PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  17:08, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I think it works. Hope you like it, let me know if you think that bass part should be re-added. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  17:10, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Hm. I like it. It still sounds slightly midi-ish, but it's a good song. My curiosity says that you should try adding the bass so that we could do a comparison. Also do you think you could put up a download of the MP3 before you convert it to an OGG? If the quality changed a bit, then I'd like to hear it before converting the ogg back into an MP3 for me to use. (The RPGmaker doesn't support OGGs sadly.)<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  21:46, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

It's great that you like it. That's my first full song. I guess I'm a better VGM composer than I am at writing "actual" songs :P. Only took me two days too.

Yeah, I'll work on finding the problem with the bass now. See, it is in that version of the song, but it's just completetly inaudible and I don't know why.

I doubt there was a change in quality, it sounded the same in both versions. But if you still want the original MP3, there's a problem. I don't have any accounts on anything that would allow me to post an MP3. But like I said, using an online converter should be fine. Unless you're okay with converting it, we'll need to find somewhere where I can post it.

By the way, if you don't think the song fits Fox Forest enough, tell me. I'm fine if you want to use the song somewhere else or if you don't want to use it all, or if you want me to redo it. I mean, this is the first time I'm doing this. There's bound to be stuff that just doesn't work. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  16:09, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

I doubt the bass makes the song much different... but here it is anyway.

I didn't want the bass to overtake the rest of the song so I just made it so that you could hear it easily. So like I said, probably not that much different. Hope you like it anyway :).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  16:46, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

It's a small difference indeed, but I believe I have a use for them both. Thanks again.

Anyway, If you can't send them as an MP3, then that's fine. It's not too much trouble for me to convert them from an OGG. <font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  16:56, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot. I could email it. [phystheechidna@gmail.com]. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  16:58, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Nah, it's fine. I can live with converting the oggs.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  17:06, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

If you say so. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  17:16, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

If you want, we can start on the next song. I have a couple of ideas in mind for what I'd want. <font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  13:06, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

I'm ready when you are! I'm quite busy at the moment (research paper :O), but I always have time to squeeze in, especially on weekends. I've found a way to make my midi program compatible with another music program, which should give the new songs better quality and sound. It also enables for way better synth and techno noises. Of course, it'd take slightly longer to get everything made but in the long run it's probably better. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  23:56, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry about how long it takes; I won't be getting to the scene where the song plays for a while. Speaking of which, the song I want will be called something along the lines of "Reminiscence: The Black Rose Orphanage". Basically it first plays when you learn of Splice's backstory, which is a pretty dark and troubled past-time. Originally, I was going to use this song instead. So, you can probably get a general idea on how it should sound, and use that as a sort of inspiration. I also considered using this theme as well, from the same game. So, maaaybe you could mix the styles a bit and come up with something befitting.

<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  00:10, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Those tunes do fit the situation nicely. Well, I have my work cut out for me then :).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  00:20, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Great! I'll look forward to what you can come up with.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  00:21, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, while you're waiting, why not check out some of my piano work? I'll see you later. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  00:48, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, that was pretty good. You're pretty good with that. Also that was actually my first time hearing that theme. =P <font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  01:22, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I have so much work on my hands right now to compose anything major. In a week or two, I can get back to it, and over the summer I'll have so much time to dedicate myself to it; but for now I have to continue my school work. Having said that, I have started on some stuff, so once school is all cleared up I'll have plenty of ideas. Later then. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  14:24, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, that's unfortunate. =/ Well, good luck with your studies. Take your time and thing's will work out fine.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  17:11, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Alright. The work has cooled off enough that I managed to come up with something. Shouldn't be long now. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  23:34, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Glad to hear it! I've been sick all week so progress has been slow on my end. Luckily I'm just about over it all though, so I'm gonna be trying to make up for lost time.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  00:01, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Good. Looks like we'll both be making up time over the summer then ;)  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  00:19, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Almost done with it. It only uses piano and strings, but I reckon in this case it's just what we need. I have a couple of other kickstarter ideas down too, so I may be able to work off them based on what you need. I'm also working on a remix of Ice Cap Zone, and if you like you may use that too.

Anyway, I just need to do some file changing and stuff and I'll be able to post it :D. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  17:08, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Here we go. I hate how my programs delay the strings so that they sound a bit spliced up (pun intended) when played in succession. Still. Here it is:

The file names don't support colons >:(. Well anyway, hope you like it.  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  17:31, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Sweet! I think you nailed it. It has a hint of sadness, but it also sounds really kind of dark and depressing. It really shows how much the Black Rose Orphanage has hurt him (and so many others) over the years.

Great job. First chance I get I'm putting this on my MP3 player and getting it ready for in-game use. I won't actually raech that point for a while, but still. Thanks a bunch.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  18:48, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

o_o You like it that much? Awesome. You made my day. See you later then :)  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  19:28, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

I did not originally intend for this to be used here, but if you want to use it you may. :)  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  22:41, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

I've always liked Ice cap's theme. This is a pretty good take on it, but I think I may have my ice themes in order. We'll see though; it's far from too late to decide.

If you want, and if you've got time, we could start on the next OST.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  22:44, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

It was only my first remix. I'll get better at some point.

Well, unless my dad feels better tomorrow and wants to go on a day trip, I have another good day tomorrow. We can start whenever you like. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  22:52, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

With practice, you'll get better. But I wasn't saying it was lacking. =P

Anyway, I really need proper theme for Crystal. I know I recently heard something that sounded extremely fitting, but I don't remember what it was. In any case, I used this as a placeholder. It only kinda fits. Her theme should be happy and bubbly, but it should also have a few calm, tender, and sweet moments in the song. <font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  23:14, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

O_o That is very happy and bubbly... You must like the themes from Phoenix Wright. I've never heard any of them before.

Well yeah, sure. I'll see what I can come up with ;)  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  00:35, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, Phoenix Wright has a good soundtrack. I've used/planned to use a few songs from it. It's a good series. I'm going to move on to the third one soon.

Anyway, thanks. Can't wait to see what you come up with.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  00:38, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Third one? What do you mean, third game? PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  00:40, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I mean the third game in the series. I just finished the second one. (well, it was a while ago, but you get the idea.)<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  00:42, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Oh I see. I thought you meant you were gonna move on to listening to music from the third game, which would have implied to me that you were sifting through every single song in the series. That would be tiring XD. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  00:44, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Lol no. I'm not that crazy bored. XD <font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  00:50, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

I know, I know... that's why I was confused :P. If you were ever bored, you just work on your game. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  00:54, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. I learnt something about myself doing this. I don't think I'm good at happy pieces. Well, maybe I am in a sense, but... put it this way. I can play Fox Forest and Reminiscence on a piano perfectly, but I honestly made 90% of this one up on the spot in my .midi maker. It's just easier to make a happy tune that way.

Anyway, this probably fits some area more than it fits a character. Please don't be afraid to make me do another theme for Crystal because, to be honest, I'd almost prefer to do that.



Sorry it took a week, I didn't have any time after school to do this so I mostly did it in the mornings before school. And another thing, my parents have decreased the amount of time I can spend on the computer because now I spend more time on it for leisure than I do homework. But that shouldn't be a problem, I'll just do more of the composing on my keyboard from now on.

Well, later :)  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  18:34, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Alright. This is a piece I'd had in mind for a long time, and it didn't take long to arrange and mix together, so I actually have another song for you today. I called it L4UNCHED (the word is launched, in the unlikely event that you didn't understand) for no reason at all (I really don't know why I called it that... it just sprang into my head :P). I guess it's because you didn't name it for me, unlike the other ones. Anyway, feel free to use it wherever you like.



By the way, I looked into quality and all that like you were wondering. I figured out that all my .mp3s and .oggs are 128 kbps, so as long as you convert it at that rate it shouldn't lose anything. Cheers! PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  19:36, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm...They're both good songs, I think. But yes, I believe Crystal's theme should get another chance. Speaking of which, the beginning of her theme sounded really familiar to me.

Also, this may seem like a random request, but do you think you could send me all of the midi's of the songs you've made for me? I like to keep them around in case a chance comes when I can have them remixed again, for multiple versions. You can send them to me in a PM on Youtube. <font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  00:55, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. I will re-do Crystal's theme, this time on my keyboard :P. For the part that sounds familiar, well, I only ever listen to the soundtrack from Sonic games and I'm not familiar with many other songs, so if something sounds too familiar to you, let me know because it's likely to be a complete coincidence, as was this one.

Regarding the midis, I didn't even know YouTube PM's could send that stuff. I'll look into that. Also, you may want to know that the only complete midi is Fox Forest, the others I added the drums and stuff in using Garageband. Reminiscence is pretty similar, but the old Crystal theme doesn't even have the right instruments :P. Anyway, I'll take a look at them and fix them up, and I'll send 'em over. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  11:41, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Uhh, I don't think there's a way to send midis on YouTube.... Is there? I can't find it, if so. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  11:50, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

The reason I said Youtube was so that I wouldn't have to give you my email here for you to send them to. I could give you my email on there, or you could upload them to Sendspace.com and send me the download link. <font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  23:07, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

I understand your uncomfortability (not a word but whatever) with posting your email directly where everyone can see it. I've never heard of sendspace.com, but I'll go check it out now :).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  23:11, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

http://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/Y%2BKrYqzluT4aE7XjEuSZz6JhW3cSPWa9 I believe I did it right. These are all the midis before I modified them in GarageBand. Basically they have all the parts, but some don't have drums nor all the instruments playing those parts. Also, my program doesn't play the sounds exactly as it would if you played it on a regular midi player.

While we're on the subject, do you have the midi of A Road Through the Earth? I was trying to work it out on my keyboard the other day. If you don't have it it doesn't matter, I was just wondering. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  23:29, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll have to download it when I get on my main computer. As for A Road through the Earth, Yes I kept that midi. It's on my laptop, so it'll still have to wait. =P I'll send it to you when I get the chance.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  23:36, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Good to know I did it correctly. And great, thanks for that!! I didn't like the piece a whole lot at first but then I started humming it at school... Aaaand then I liked it XD  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  23:41, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Do you have an idea of what you want Crystal's theme to sound like? Or maybe what instruments you want in it? I'm kinda using the same idea from the previous theme right now, but I'm changing the way it sounds and I'm making it less random (and I tend to like songs that are less random, so maybe I'll be more confident about it this time). If there's anything you want in particular, tell me, because it helps put a bit of a picture of the song in my mind, even if that's only by a little bit. Cheers. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  00:12, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm...I'm not entirely sure what I'd like. I think it would be fitting if you added bits and pieces of the Chao Garden's theme and the Chao Race Lobby theme. The instruments should have some piano and flute or ocarina to it. You're free to add more as you see fit, but those two/three should definitely be in.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  00:25, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Great!! Thanks for that. I'll try and get this done as soon as I can, but of course without rushing it this time :P. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  00:28, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, great. Thanks again, and good luck.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  00:32, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Status update: haven't made anything over the weekend unfortunately. Crystal's theme hasn't been recomposed yet; I just have zero ideas for the current basis, so I'm probably going to scrap what I've done and start again. If we can find some way to communicate by video, and if my parents allow me to do such a thing (I won't be able to show my face if so, and I wouldn't do that anyway), then I can play some stuff on my piano keyboard and you could tell me what you like. That would be efficient, but of course you've already shown me your concern for your privacy over the internet and I completely respect that and understand if you do not wish to go ahead with that kind of thing.

I'm also working on a couple of remixes. If you want I'll post them here too, in case you want to use them. Well, later. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  12:18, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

I see. In this case, the best thing to do would be to get Skype. It has a voice chat we can use. I'm on there as smash-the-echidna.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  13:55, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Many of my friends and associates have requested for me to get a Skype account. I haven't confronted my parents about that yet but I'm sure it'd be okay. Well, I'll get back to you if/when that happens. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  19:57, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, sorry for not getting anything done for you last week. I'm currently in my exam period. Yep, that means I'm completely free in a week or two :D.

Anyway, I haven't asked my parents for Skype yet. The reason? Dad's on a work assignment in another country. And he usually has the final say over that kind of thing, so I'll have to wait until he comes back. Shouldn't be too long.

Also, I did come up with something new for Crystal's theme. I'm gonna arrange what I've done so far at some point and give that file to you so you can check that out in the meantime. Then if you like it, I'll continue on it. How's that sound?

And finally, my new Sonic 3 Boss Battle Remix! Your YouTube videos show me that you have a lot of boss themes already (by the way, I did listen to the new soundtrack you posted. Sounds like Daz's getting back into business), but anyway. Here it is.



That's all for now. See you later :).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  00:16, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, take your time. I can wait. Glad to hear you came up with something. I actually had just remembered what that other song I thought could be used for inspiration was last night...Sort of. It was either one of these three songs. Pretty sure it was the last one though, but they're all good and full of piano. =P

Also, none of those songs I uploaded from Daz were new. I've had them sitting around on my computer for a long time, I just hadn't gotten around to uploading them since my movie makers were being screwy. So, as far as we know, Daz is still on hiatus. Also, I'll listen to your song in a bit and get back to you on that.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  00:27, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for those. They do give me a bit more of an idea of what you want. None of them seem to fit the "happy and bubbly" description you gave much though. Maybe that's why it helps XD. Well, later then. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  11:41, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

True. Perhaps happy and bubbly isn't quite the theme we're looking for, here. =P Glad to be able to help some. I look forward to what you can come up with now.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  21:45, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Cool, thank you. I won't be able to get anything to you this weekend I'm afraid, due to a weekend trip we're having. I may be able to get the preview before then, but I'm unsure. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  22:14, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

'Tis fine. Take your time, I can wait a while. Also, I listened to that boss remix you posted above. It was pretty good, but it lacked an action feel. It doesn't feel very fitting for a battle theme, much less a boss theme. The song flowed pretty smoothly though.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  22:22, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I know... I'm still learning to make those things. And my program has a lack of good drums. I'm going to try and fix up both my remixes at some point. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  11:43, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

After weeks of trying new tunes and then throwing them all away again, I finally came up with something good. Ish. I'm still not sure it fits Crystal 100%, but I'll let you be the judge on that.



So yeah. I'm really sorry if it doesn't. I have to admit I didn't use the songs you posted much. One of the previous themes I tried was the Chao race lobby theme in a different key and with a different chord structure, but I couldn't come up with anything to make it longer (actually I did, and it was the idea I mentioned earlier just strapped to the end. It didn't go too well though). I explored new ways to write music during the past few weeks, such as the epic strings at the end of the song there. So even if you don't like this one either, I still got stuff out of doing it.

Also, I wrote the flute part on the computer again, which is why that part is not as good as the strings part... I'm just going to abandon computer composing and only use the computer to put the songs together now. I can recompose different parts of the song y'know, so if you like one part and not the other I can just give that part another shot and put it together again. The intro is probably also too long for this theme, isn't it...

Anyway, suppose you don't like this one at all. What if I went ahead and just combined arrangements of the three anime songs you sent me earlier? Or something along those lines. Or I could ask my parents if I can use Skype XD I still haven't asked them...

One last thing. I don't want to hurry you or anything, but did you dig up A Road through the Earth for me?

Well, thanks for reading my habitual long paragraphs. Sorry for making them :P. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  11:51, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm...The tune itself is pretty good and somewhat fitting, however, up until the 'Epic strings' (as you called them) is too melancholy. And yes, the intro is pretty long. That and the strings part is short and cuts off abruptly. I wouldn't be able to loop that. But I think that, if you work to improve on it instead of scrapping it and starting over, it could work as her theme. I think the intro should be shortened and a bit happier sounding, (That piano sounds kinda depressing until the other instruments show up.) maybe spruce up the flute while you're at it, while the strings part should be longer. And maybe add another part after the strings before looping.

As for the combined arrangements, that actually sounds intriguing...You've sparked my curiosity there. =P

Aaaaand I completely forgot that I didn't send you that song. Gimmie a moment.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  12:42, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Here it is.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  13:08, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Alright. I'll see what I can do. Making a theme for a character is much more difficult than making a theme for a place. For a start, it's a character. You are much more attached to Crystal than you are to, say, Fox Forest. You want her theme to be perfect, whereas Fox Forest is a place that you're only going to use once or twice in the entire game. Do you see what I mean? Anyway, I'll continue working on that. Last day of school was today, so I'll have plenty of time from now on.

And thanks for A Road through the Earth. This will give me an idea of how your previous musicians worked, which in turn will probably help me :D. Well, later, and thanks for all the advice ;).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  16:34, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that's exactly right. Not to mention Crystal is one of the first characters to join you, so yeah.

Anyway, you're welcome. Good luck!<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  16:39, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again! ;)  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  17:02, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Woah... KRDsonic is amazing! You were so lucky to have him do that song for you... do you have any idea how complicated that is? It's kind of what I expected, but... I don't think I'm half as good as he is. Booted it up on GarageBand and tweaked the instruments a bit to make my own version (with lots of piano :P). So yeah, thanks again for the file. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  17:32, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I sure as heck was lucky to get that from him, considering how busy he's been. That's the only song he ever got around to making for me.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  17:34, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I looked at both KRD's and Daz's YouTube channels. Doesn't look like they've done anything related to music for a while. But they're both really good. I'm starting feel sorry for you, being stuck with me XD. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  17:36, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

I made something for you yesterday, but I have to leave on vacation for nearly a week. Yeah, that's how long you'll have to wait to get it. I'm sorry about that. See you later then :).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  14:03, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, Don't worry about it. It's all well and good. I'll see you later, then. Enjoy your vacation!<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  14:44, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I got back today. I twisted my ankle during one of the stops on our way home and I'm typing this right now with my foot on a piano stool wrapped in an ice pack... but apart from that and all the long car drives it was an okay trip.

Here's what I did last week. I started arranging Shio on my keyboard (that's the one you said was most likely the theme you were thinking of using as Crystal's out of the three Clannad pieces) and then I found that there was a .midi file online. But when I downloaded it, it wasn't in a time signature (basically that means you couldn't count "1, 2, 3, 4" at a constant rate). So I had to make a new .midi file using the notes from the downloaded one. Anyway, it was successful, so I did a couple of things with it.

First, I simply composed a strings part and added it onto the song. Here it is:



I did that because I wasn't sure you'd want to use just piano in her theme. Which leads me to the next remix I did. I went a little bit further with the part adding :D. I opened the previous remix and sped it up a bit, and added a bass part (it uses the strings notes) and a drum beat. Here is that remix:



So, I hope you like those. If you do want to use Shio, but the original piano part only, tell me and I'll get that to you. If you want to use any of the Shio pieces I made you'll also need to give credit to some guy called pico (yes, I think it's uncapitalized; it was like that in the file); he made the .midi I copied.

If you don't, well it's back to the keyboard for me XD.

Note that none of the remixes are currently loopable. I was gonna do so, but I thought I would wait and see if you wanted to use Shio in the first place before doing that.

Oh, and one more thing that's been on my mind for a while. I don't mean to be rude, but you're not supposed to capitalize the word "the" in a title unless it's the first word in the title. So all your pages like Smash The Echidna and Splice The Hedgehog (RPG Fangame) etc. etc. are grammatically wrong. I should have pointed that out earlier, but I didn't want to seem rude so early on, especially since you're the older one here :P.

All right, I'll stop now. Please excuse my long paragraphs/messages yet again; it's a lifelong habit of mine and I hate it. I just have a need to explain everything that goes on, I guess XD so I'm sorry. I'll see you later ;).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  23:50, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Welcome back! Sorry to hear about your ankle, though.

And before I get on to replying about the songs, yes, I know about the mis-capitalization. But I always did that so that I would know which articles were mine, as there were some I've encountered with the same name. In fact it's because of those articles with the same name that I COULDN'T go without capitalizing 'The'. So I might as well have them all capitalized. It's no real problem anyway.

Anyway, the remixes. The first one you showed just sounds pleasant, but too close to the original for me to think of it as a different theme song. The second, however, sounds great. I think it'll do just nicely. If you could maybe loop it, (or heck, maybe even extend it since a 40 second song is really very short and kind of repetitive after a while) then I think we'd have ourselves a winner. Thanks again for your help.

And lastly, I'm perfectly fine with your long paragraphs. =P <font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  00:10, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Ah; I actually thought of that as a possibility, but then I thought that you wouldn't capitalize the game title unless you thought it was meant to be that way. So sorry about that ^^.

You think I've done it? Crystal's theme?!? Please excuse my outburst.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All right, I'm done XD.

I'll go make it loopable tomorrow then (I have to go for dinner now). As for extending it, is it really going to play for much longer than 40 seconds? It's a character's theme. When would it play for extensively long periods?

I know this game is going to take you a while to complete yet, so I'd probably recommend not assigning me another character theme or the like until you think I'm ready for it. If you want to by all means do so, but after the length of time it's taken to complete Crystal's I doubt it's the best idea.

Well, later then. I'll try and get the loop done tomorrow ;).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  00:31, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I can't say when exactly it'll play since I haven't progressed very far in the story, but I'd say the average amount of play-time for a song would be at least twice as long as that. (1:20) Trust me, though, there can be scenes where a song can play for a while. Unless you're skipping through all the dialog, 40 seconds goes by pretty quickly. That and I have a system where you can listen to a character's theme in the character select for as long as you want.

But if you don't want to extend it, then that's fine. Anyway, I'll get back to you on the next song, since this one took so long. I'll let you know when I'm ready for a new one. Thanks again.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  00:55, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I never said I didn't want to extend it. I'm quite happy to do so. You're my "boss" here, I'm not supposed to deny what you ask for :P. I just didn't see how extending it would make a big difference. Take the actual Sonic games, for example. In Sonic Adventure, the character themes played rarely in cutscenes, and when they did they barely skimmed the lyrics' entry. They played during the introduction after you selected your character, but those didn't go for very long either and it's not like Crystal has her own playable story. Then there's the ending credits for each character, but again, Crystal doesn't have her own story. And if you didn't skip through dialogue, you'd be paying more attention to that than the music. Do you see what I mean now?

Anyway, I'll do something with it to lengthen the time, because I completely understand why you would dislike the shortness of it. I'm going out to lunch today for Father's Day but I'll work on it when I get back. Cheers :).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  15:40, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I made some minor changes to make it just over a minute, and now it's loopable (to make it loopable I had to shift the entire thing 3 beats to the left to squeeze that first note in at the very start. Because this song has 4 beats to a measure and not 3, technically the song ends with a beat missing, but because it is looped that first note becomes the last beat. You probably have no idea what I'm talking about and I'm not sure why I'm talking about it in the first place, but that's how I did it XD). Hopefully it works for you.



I also made Fox Forest loopable, since it wasn't beforehand. I fixed its volume too, as it was quieter than the songs I edited with GarageBand.



PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  22:51, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Ah thank you. And yes I knew what you were talking about, believe it or not. =P The looping you did was a little akward when I tried it out, due to it cutting off abruptly at the end of the song, but I managed to do a simple edit to get it to work out just fine. Thanks again; Crystal's theme is now officially done.

As for Fox Forest, it actually already looped just fine. I know because I took both the first version and second with the added beat and put them together as an extension. I listened to what you had down now, and found that it also had an akward abrupt ending. That and for some reason the quality is lower. I appreciate the effort, but I think I'll stick with the one I currently have.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  23:10, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I was a little conscious of the way it looped. Remember, there are only three beats in the last measure so as to fit it the note at the beginnng's beat (that's the awkward cutoff you're talking about), and because we're looping back to the intro here there was nothing better to do. But if you fixed it, then I guess there's nothing left to it. :D.

As for Fox Forest, I don't quite understand why you think it already looped fine. There are 3 or 4 seconds after the song where he strings' reverb ends. That's what I cut in the version I just gave you. So unless you've fixed that yourself, there's no way it could loop perfectly. And the quality is all the same, remember? 128 kbps (you know, I can go higher if you like, I found out how to do that). It's probably the increased volume that's creating that effect.

However, if you have it the way you want it, that's great. One thing I'd like to ask though. If you edit any of my pieces, could you please send a Sendspace link with the .mp3 files? It's no big deal, but I have an album in my iTunes library with all the songs I've done for the game so far (which is only like five but whatever) and it'd be nice to have them up-to-date. Thanks :).

Well, later. I'm pretty sure there's nothing on tomorrow. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  01:06, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, the cutoffs didn't quite mesh well with the first beats of the songs, but I improvised. As for Fox Forest, I may or may not have edited it to loop properly and just don't remember, but I'm pretty sure that's how they were when you sent em. They seemed perfectly fine to me. And though you say it's all the same quality, for some bizarre reason the one you sent was lower, sounding more muffled than the earlier versions.

Anyway, that's not a problem right now. Here's the goods. I just finished adding them to my MP3 player, myself. =P <font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  04:48, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

See, what I originally wanted to do was plop the .midi into GarageBand and make it sound as close to the original as possible whilst making it loopable. But neither the drum kit nor the bass sounded good in any way, so I decided to edit the .mp3 in GarageBand instead. It's a possibility that GarageBand can't quite keep the quality of the song even though it's kept exactly the same, but it sounded fine to me. I just thought of another solution actually, but obviously that doesn't matter now :P

I'm using my mobile device right now (it so happens to be a PlayStation Vita which loads Wikia reeeeeeaaaalllllyyyy slowly) so I don't thnk I can download them right now, but I will when I get back to my computer. Thanks a lot for them :). Later then.  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  13:29, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

There's a slight break in the middle of your Fox Forest before the version with the bass comes in. You've done a good job merging the two versions, but you can still pick that up. And then there's still the 3-4 seconds after the song where nothing happens, which you'll notice when it loops back to the beginning (by the way, I did notice the quality difference in my new Fox Forest when I compared it to yours, so I apologize for that). The same things go for Crystal's theme though. There's a break in the middle where you've looped it within the song (but apart from that the loop is really good) and you've added the dreaded 3-4 seconds at the end which wasn't there before. All this loopalizing (that's what I call it XD) you're doing is actually unloopalizing what I supposedly have already done for you.

Whatever you play your songs on should have a loop feature which instantly loops a song back to the beginning the split second it finishes. If you play the songs with this feature on, the result will probably be exactly how it sounds when it is looped in-game. When you play my songs, you should be able to count beats of "1, 2, 3, 4" all the way through, and beyond the song loop at a constant rate (none of my songs currently have any slowing down or speeding up). When you play your versions, you'll find that you'll get messed up trying to do this any time the song loops.

I can fix Fox Forest easily enough in the way you want it now, but the only way to somewhat effectively fix Crystal's theme is to loop it within the song several times so that it only loops with an "abrupt break" (as you call it but is not what it actually is) once every, say, four or so times (yes, four's a magic number in music XD), which should be long enough to get through all the dialogue you plan to run it during, and I can do that too. The abrupt break in Crystal's theme must be there at some point in order to loop perfectly, but it can be run as many times as you want it to before that break occurs, a number which I'll need you to specify. What do you reckon, do you need/want me to redo the loops for both songs?

I realize how confusing I'm being, if you don't understand let me know and I'll try to make a video that will help explain it all. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  18:16, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Actually I left those breaks at the end on purpose, and planned to have them separate from the looping versions to appear in-game.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  18:33, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

I just wrote long paragraphs for no reason again then...

What about the breaks in the middle where it loops within the track? PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  18:34, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

The music starts to fade into the loop in Crystal's theme. It's not really a break, as it flows without interruption. But Fox Forest, I don't hear a break in the middle of it at all. If it wasn't for the added bass on the second half I wouldn't have even known they were two separate versions.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  18:45, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

The Fox Forest break is quite unnoticeable, but it's there. You're quite right, in runs smoothly in terms of sound, but not in terms of beat. It's the same thing for Crystal's theme, although it's not as bad of a problem since technically the song actually has an ending. If you want to keep them how they are then I have no objection. I don't mean to boast here, but I have an amazing ear, and that's how I arrange things for my YouTube channel (ironically, my left ear only hears one third of the volume than that of a normal ear), so I can notice these things better than a lot of people. But that doesn't mean nobody else will hear it. You have been warned. But as long as you're happy with what you have and you reckon you have enough to make it run as smoothly as you like, I won't try to change your mind here. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  18:58, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

As of yesterday, I'm taking a half-day summer Geometry course for the next six weeks (five days a week from 8:00 - 12:00). I doubt it will affect any work I do for the game during this time period, however I just thought you would like to know, just in case. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  21:23, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for the heads up.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  21:28, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Phys. I'm ready for another song. I have not one, but two this time. And don't worry; they're not character themes. Nope, they're areas.

The first one is for Splice's house. His home's already got a set theme, but I'd like to have a night time version of it; One that's softer and calmer to fit the change in the time of day.



This is his current house theme. There are quite a few midi's lying around if I remember correctly, so it shouldn't be too hard.

The second one on the other hand, is for Smash's old home in Greenflower Zone. Basically it should be another calm and serene melody. I was actually considering using this for it's theme. It fits pretty well, so this should be a good source of inspiration.

And that's about it for now. Thanks again.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  03:56, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome! I'll start work on those today if I can ;).

When you say, "I'd like to have a night time version of it", is "it" the theme you have already, or do you want a new composition? I'm fine either way, of course, I just want to get you exactly what you want because I wasn't 100% sure what you were asking for there :P.

As for Smash's old house, that theme works pretty well to make me understand what you would like for these themes, so thanks.

By the way, I downloaded something Wikia recommended and I can now play the .oggs directly from my browser :D. Not important or anything, but yeah.

One last thing. I uploaded two more videos for Sonic's birthday, in case you're interested.

Well, thanks again. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  12:01, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, "it" is the theme that I have already.

Thanks again. I'll check out the videos you have up in a minute.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  21:14, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. In that case, do you have the .midi lying around, or know of a place where I can get the .midi? See, 'cause I don't know the name of the song :P. That would be great. If you don't, it looks easy enough to arrange myself. But it'd definitely be easier with the file. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  21:20, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

There are two of them over here. Search "Ness's House" and you should find them both.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  21:25, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you :). There were three, actually. And of course the last one I checked was the one closest to the one you posted :P. Well, I have my work cut out for me then. Thanks for the help. Hopefully I'll get back to you soon with these done. Cheers :D.  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  21:40, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't even notice the third one. =o Well that just makes it all the better. XD Good luck and thanks again.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  21:42, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Here's what I did for Splice's house.



Hope you like it :).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  22:59, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Great. This'll do nicely. Thanks a bunch; I can't wait to hear the next one.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  23:06, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, sorry I haven't posted back here in a while. I did compose something, and while it was a good song if I may say so myself, I was unsatisfied with it being used as a house theme after I finished it. I still think it can be used elsewhere, however, since my mum told me it was very pretty when I played it on the piano (yeah, sometimes I just randomly play my songs during the day) :P. Anyway, I'm recomposing the theme to fit a house. Can I ask a question though? This is supposed to be Smash's old house, so is it, in a way, abandoned? Or to put it more directly, should the theme be more mysterious, or more like a general house theme? Thanks again for your time. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  11:54, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, it's okay. I wasn't expecting you to come right back to me with results anyway since you said you had a geometry course over the summer. Anyway, no, the house isn't abandoned per say. Pearl, Smash's sister, looks after the house and (sort of) lives there. She's often at Smash's current house, though. So, it should have a regular house theme.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  12:04, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Well, the geometry course runs during the morning. And I'm not supposed to use the computer in the morning (although admittedly I have snuck on a few times, i.e. the day I did Reminiscence). So really, it shouldn't affect my compositions much. Actually, I just realized that the morning time could be spent doing the actual composing, and in the long run that takes up more time and effort than arranging it digitally. So maybe it does cut back a bit.

Anyway, thanks for the info. Our teacher gives us long weekends if we go fast during the week, so I have tomorrow off plus the weekend. Shouldn't be too long now, although I haven't come up with a good tune yet. Later then :).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  22:18, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

I have to apologize for not having done much wihin the last week or so, even after I promised it wouldn't be much longer of a wait. I've finished the beginning part (I think so anyway; I often change things) and I'm literally working on the rest of it right now. So yeah, I'm sorry to keep you waiting. Hopefully the rest of the composing will flow right into me and I can finish this off quickly. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  13:11, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Well, the rest of the composing did come easily to me. But then I became super lazy. So... really sorry about that. Shouldn't happen again. Although I noticed you've been away from the wiki lately anyway, so it's not as bad as it could be.

Anyway. I had fun composing this one, so that's good news. And I really like the outcome. Which is also good news. So, without further ado...



Hope you like it. Consider it your early birthday present, because I was gonna draw Smash and then I realized I should probably ask you about his hair first XD. And that would ruin the surprise factor. Well, later :).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  22:40, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Dammit, there's a capitalization error in the song title. I'm sure it's not a problem, and it's easily fixed, but that doesn't mean it doesn't annoy the hell out of me. Oh well. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  22:48, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

I haven't really been 'away', per say. Just busy. Anyway, glad to see you've finished it. It sounds quite pleasant. I like it. Thanks a bunch.

And during the time you were making this, I came up with other song ideas. If you want to start em now lemme know.

And about Smash's hair, This is what it should look like, for future reference. 1, 2, 3.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  22:56, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! :)

I probably won't start anything new today (I've already been busy. I did all the editing for this song and I uploaded this), but the sooner you give them to me the sooner I can start. So fire away! :)

And thanks for Smash's hairstyle. Unfortunately I probably won't get that done for your birthday (I haven't finished the drawing I did for someone whose birthday is tomorrow, I'll be late for that too D:), but I will do it 'cause I need to do something for the occasion, on time or not ;).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  23:03, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Okay then! My ideas were:

1: Remember the Black Rose Orphanage's theme you made earlier? I'd like another version of it. Basically it's a more upbeat and darker version, more or less to be used as a theme song. The song I was originally gonna use for it, I had two versions of it, so there's your inspiration. In actuality, this job would be better suited to my friend Daz, but he only does remixes of pre-existing midi's and I haven't been able to get in contact with him lately. (I was REALLY hoping that you two could work together at some point, as you can make midi's yourself)

2: This one is another character theme. This time we're looking at Pearl. But don't worry, I've already decided on a theme for this one. And there are two versions of it, as well. The first one and the second here. The only problem is, I don't want to use these exact versions due to their DS quality. (and the only other problem is that I can't find a midi of either) If you can, could you make the song use both versions? If you listen long enough you'll notice the differences in the tune. I had one other but I don't really remember what it was. ^^; Whelp, thanks again in advance. (Nice upload, btw. Lava reef on piano actually sounds pretty good.)<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  23:45, July 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * ALSO, there's this. If you can, I'd like this to be a separate song.

1. I was actually hoping you'd say something like that! Everybody I've shown the piece to loves the theme, and it was so simple and easy to write. This probably won't take long. I'll probably wait until next week to start these pieces though, if you don't mind, since tomorrow begins the last week of the geometry course.

As for Daz, I actually do want to meet and work with him. I think I'll contact him on YouTube at some point. I did give you the .midi for the piece too, so if you ever do come into contact with him again it'll be as quick as that.

2. You scared me when you said character theme. Then I relaxed when you said you'd already picked out the theme XD. Not having a .midi is fine, but it will greatly lengthen the amount of time it takes for me to complete it, especially since I'm not familiar with the song. By the way, you appear to have sent me the same link twice. As for the ballad, hopefully I 'll be able to do that once I've finished arranging the original, but I'm not able to tell right at this moment.

Sorry, gotta rush. Computer's kicking me off. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  00:08, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Dangit, sorry. The editor was acting a little screwy at the time. Here's the second version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6JKz6k1boM

Anyway, thanks again.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  00:25, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I shall start on these when I can :).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  11:46, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Geometry is over. Which is a bit sad actually, I enjoyed the course. But anyway. Arranging The Turnabout Sisters' theme is actually really easy. So that will probably come earlier than I expected.

As for the Black Rose Orphanage dark version (or whatever you want it called :P), I thought about it, and I have a question. Do you want it faster than the original, or slower? It actually makes a big difference, which is odd. Slower probably works better if you want it to sound like the Shinra Corporation thing you sent, but before you said you wanted a more upbeat version, and really either way works fine. I guess it comes down to what you want it for.

Well, that's it for now. Thanks, I'll see you later.

If it fits better as a slower song, then go ahead and slow the Black Rose Orphanage down some. But in return, make sure you give it enough epic sounding instruments to keep it from sounding dull!<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  21:17, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

If you want it fast, I'm happy to do that. I just didn't think it was as dark when it was fast. Let me know what you'd like, that's what makes it easier for me :).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  16:18, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'd like whichever fits best. It's a little hard to choose when I can't hear how it sounds, so I'm basically just going by your word. How about we experiment with both and compare them here where I can listen?<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  01:41, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, sounds good to me. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  13:13, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, it is faster. I'd forgotten how slow the original was. I guess the one I'm making now just feels slower. I don't know. Anyway. Working on it right now :).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  14:39, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

All right. This isn't finished yet, but I need to see if this is what you are looking for. I'm not sure it sounds as dark as you want it to be yet. I was gonna add some bells to it to give it that dark feel, but it turns out the bells instrument is not at the correct pitch (really, GarageBand? >:/). So I'm gonna try to fix that and implement it. But, if you could tell me what else you think it needs, that would be great.



Thanks for your help. ^.^  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  15:13, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, that was pretty good actually...I'm a bit impressed. (I actually felt disappointed when it suddenly ended. ;_; ) The beginning was a little slow to pick up into the main song, so maybe add a little bit of something around there and maybe speed that portion up a bit. In the Reminiscence version, it started off with a sudden piano note, followed by another. Maybe add something like that to the beginning of this to sort of reflect the original. I'm also pretty curious about those 'drama bells' and how they'd turn out. Will they sound somewhat like this, or this? I'd definitely prefer it. If not, is it possible to do something similar? <font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  15:26, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

So this is what you want for this piece? Good, that was my main concern. Don't worry, the ending won't be as abrupt; I only sent this to you to check it was going well so far. I'm glad (and surprised, actually) that you like it. I'll try and fix that problem in the beginning for you.

That bass-guitar sound (I don't know what else to call it :P) you hear in the song was originally what was going to be the note structure for the bells, and I was gonna have it appear every few measures. But due to my little issue, I just turned it into something else (the bass), and then I found that it worked well if I looped it throughout the entire song. Yes, the first link displays pretty much what I want the bells to sound like (the second link is blocked... :. I'm going to try and see if I can import sounds from the internet into the program, and thus bring a better-tuned bell sound into the song. But if I can't do that, I'm not sure I'll be able to do it...  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  15:41, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

I think I got the bells fixed, although I don't think they're as epic as they could have been if I could use a lower octave as well as the one they're currently in. Still; for now, I think we've got them. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  16:09, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

I see. Good, good. Think I can hear how they sound in the song?<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  16:55, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, yes, I was thinking of something myself. I'm going to send the same phrase three times with the bell sound (which I changed the note structure of in order to keep the bass :) ) in different places, and you can pick which one you think is the best. It's gonna be a pain to set up though, so if you'll give me a second.  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  17:37, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Third option turned out badly, so there's actually only gonna be two choices. Which do you like better?

Bells at the start: Bells at the end:

I personally prefer the bells at the end simply because it helps the sound feel like it's increasing in volume or staying the same as opposed to decreasing. I don't actually think that's a good way to describe it, but... I can't think of a better way :P. Well, pick whichever you think fits best. I'll be back after lunch. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  17:52, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Second option seems to flow smoother, so let's go with that. The bells themselves however, sound kinda awkward to me. It's difficult to describe, but it sounds sort of distorted to me.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  18:03, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Second version it is then :). If you can find a bell sound for me that you like and I can get it tuned okay, then we can use that instead. I completely understand what you're trying to say. Trust me, they were more distorted before I fixed them :P.  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  18:25, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

I see. Alright then, I will be on the look-out for a good one.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  18:35, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I can try and edit the sound to fit something you want, but I'm not exactly sure what it is you want it to sound like. If you want, we can try to call on Skype, and we can edit it together. Background noise may be an issue though. But, whatever works for you is better for me. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  18:48, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I've finished it. Maybe. I dangerously put piano solos in there. Maybe not the best thing for a dark piece. If you want me to remove them, I will. And there's the issue of the bell sound too. So it's only finished if you want it to be.



But, I hope you like it anyway. Plus, now you don't have to worry about it suddenly ending XD. Seeya later then. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  20:07, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Sounding good so far. I think that the only problem left is the bell. Now, I went searching, and I found that this video has a variety of bell sound effects you can use. I can rip them for you if you can't do it yourself. Try experimenting with some of them and see how they turn out. I also ripped the bell from the second video I posted before that you said was 'blocked' for some reason. It's not perfect sounding but if you use it in the song it's flaws may be overshadowed.



<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  20:41, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure? I feel like you're just being lenient... If the song is not how you want it to be, tell me. I'm surprised that it fits what you want.

Oh wow. I didn't expect you to go look for all that for me. Now I feel bad because I didn't do it myself... ;_; So thanks a lot. I really appreciate it. I'm pretty sure the "Sephiroth Bell" will work pitch-wise as it comes from another song. However, those small drum beats you hear afterward may be a problem, like you said. The ones from the video you linked to, on the other hand, are clean bell sounds; however, we do not know if they are on a musical pitch. So yeah, I'm going to experiment with them, like you said. If I can actually import them in the first place... :P

Well, later. :)  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  13:52, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Sephiroth Bell has too much distortion when its pitch is lowered, and it doesn't sound right if I bring the entire thing up an octave. I'm going to change the note structure to see if I can get it to work okay, but if you don't like it, it's time to bring up the YouTube bells. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  14:27, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Dangit, this is annoying. See, the only way to do this is to import the .mp3 file into the program, and then I have to have an individual instrument for each note. There's no way to set it as an instrument itself, unless we can somehow figure out how to make a .cst file. And it just isn'r working. So instead, I spent ages editing the bell sound (which is kind of reckless, considering I don't have too much experience in editing instruments) and I got it to sound, well, better. I think "sharper" is a good word to use. Anyway, here's how it sounds now.



Any better?

And my time is up for today, so unless Mum adds more time for me later, I'll see ya later. :)  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  15:38, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm...The bells still sound pretty off. The 'sharper' bells seem to clash with the rest of the song.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  17:50, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah... I see what you mean. If you want, I can use the Sephiroth Bell without changing its pitch. So it would just be one big "dong" every now and then. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  20:52, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Well, you could give it a shot and see how it works.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  22:06, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Nah; I don't think it works too well.



PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  22:27, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, me neither. But it came closer than the others did, I think. The way the bell sounds, with it's deeper, darker and sinister ring, I feel that's the type of bell we need. I don't know where else to look for one like that though.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  22:40, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe my .midi program has a good bell sound... We won't know until I convert it to an .mp3, but I'll go have a look. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  14:45, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

I managed to get four different sounds, but two of them are being a a pain with conversion. Here are the other two. They're set to loop for about a minute, but don't sit there and listen to it for a full minute if you don't like it :P.



I'm currently trying to get the other two sounds up; I'll get back to you on those. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  15:17, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Curiosity has lead me to do this.



It's both bells merged together.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  16:13, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

What a good idea. Using a line from the Captain Underpants books, "That might just be dumb enough to work!"

Though, I think the pitch of the two bell demos is slightly different, but if you actually like the sound I'll drop it into the song and we'll take a look from there. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  20:00, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it kinda sounds weird in the low parts... If you like the rest of it though, I can just change the low parts.



PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  20:16, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Hm, you're right. In fact it still kinda clashes with the song in general... I don't think we're having much luck with this bell thing. Maybe we should drop it for now, and try looking for another instrument to take it's place.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  23:30, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the lack of communication yesterday. :P

Who ever would have thought a supposedly simple bell sound would give us so much trouble XD. Well, if that's what you want to do, that's fine with me. Are you sure you don't want to try out the individual bell sounds I made first? And if not, what would you like the sound to be replaced with?

Oh, I made this a while ago. I'm not sure that electronic dance music fits this kind of RPG game, but you're welcome to use it.

http://soundcloud.com/cyanbox/rooftoprun

Rooftop Run theme remix combined with a remix of the theme in Sonic Lost World's trailer :). If Soundcloud doesn't work for you, let me know. It's an amazing website, but it's incredibly screwy.

Well, later :).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  15:19, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Hmmmm....I'm really not sure. Maybe you can try using piano notes instead, or maybe a flute/ocarina type of instrument. Try them and see how that works. Also I'll take a look at that song a little later.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  21:31, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the incredible lateness. It's entirely my fault. Though, I did do a lot of the Turnabout Sisters arrangement during the past few days, so there's no complete waste of time here.

I put the individual bell sounds into the song and found that they don't work anyway. So, like you suggested, I made two more versions, one with piano and one with flute.





Once again, I was lead to doing this.

You know I think we're done here. I think I can use all three of these. It took a while, but the results were worth it. Great job, Phys! And thanks again for your help. I'll probably still use the Shinra theme for the especially evil parts, (there's one scene in particular that comes to mind,) but otherwise this will be their main theme.

Also I can't wait to see what you've done with the Turnabout sisters themes.<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  16:43, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

I looked at a few more pages related to the game (I don't want to look too far into it. Spoilers :P) and I think I know where this is gonna be used now that you say "their main theme" ;).

Anyway, no problem. I enjoy doing it! ^.^ Oh, and I'll send you a WIP of Pearl's theme soon :).  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  13:31, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, look what I found. Want me to remix this instead? (The .midi is here.)

In case you were interested, here's what I'd done so far (it isn't completed, of course :P).



PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  14:45, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm...The W.I.P. sounds a tad funny, but I think it's mainly due to lacking all the instruments you were going to add. As for the video, that sounds pretty dang good. Sure, give it a shot! <font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  18:11, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Correct. It was nowhere near finished. It didn't even include all that I'd arranged so far. Anyway, sure. I will go ahead with that :). Don't forget to give credit to the YouTuber; he arranged the entire thing from scratch, like I was doing. It's incredible.  PhysTheEchidna  ( talk )  14:45, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

How's this? It was kinda difficult to deal with at first since the entire thing first came up with pretty much every track as a synth sound, and it sounded horrible.... But yeah. A bit of splitting and instrument changing and it sounds much better :).



Let me know if you want some of the instruments changed again. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  16:03, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Dang, that sounds wonderful. I'm not sure if anything more needs to be done with that one. (Don't worry I'll be sure to credit them.) Were you actually finished and stopping here, or were you going to continue seeing as the video was at least 3 minutes long?<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  16:38, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! ^^ I wasn't actually expecting that. I guess I've gotten a lot better since the first Crystal's theme. I hate that one now XD.

The video/.midi looped back to the beginning again and played through to the end of the first "verse". Considering that looping it from the end of the second "verse" did the exact same thing, I just decided to do that. It gives the first and second "verses" the same amount of appearances, and thus essentially gives it more variety. That was all. If you want me to throw the first verse back in the end there, I can do that. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  17:34, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

If that's where it loops, then it's fine. I can take it from there. Thanks again. So how about that Turnabout Sisters' Ballad?<font color="#0000FF">~Smash The Echidna~  17:48, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Well, unless I find some .midi of that as well, I'm about to start getting into arranging that. I've already found its key. If you want, I can make a slower, more piano-y version of the original instead, in the ballad's key. Upside of that is, it takes less time. Downside is, it will be different to the original ballad. I'm fine either way. What would you prefer? PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  17:53, August 17, 2013 (UTC)