Sonic Fanon Wiki talk:Requests for Adminship/Archive 1

Oh...You have to nominate?

.....I'M FREE! AHAHAHAHA!WARIO! BRAWL! CUCKOO CLOCKZ! DOON BUGGEH! 23:40, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

It's called Nominations, but all you have to do is stick your name down, and you become a nominee. Flashfire  Master of   Flames  23:43, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

You see, Flash, I was afraid that someone just got chosen if they seemed good. HOWEVER I never want to be an admin. [Depsite the fact that I think I can find better answers to some things than I've seen some admins do] Thing is, I love helpping mah freinds. But I do it at my own pace, at my own level. This is a relief. HAHA!WARIO! BRAWL! CUCKOO CLOCKZ! DOON BUGGEH! 23:45, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Guys, this belongs here!--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round ~ 00:04, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

That one needs a refresh, so I'll keep it here for now. Flashfire  Master of   Flames  00:06, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Guess I'm not gonna be nominated though.--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round ~ 00:07, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

-Sigh- This is why I regret calling it nominations. You just stick your name down, and people advise yes or no, same as that last page. Flashfire  Master of   Flames  00:08, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

I know, but I doubt I'll get a lot of support. Oh well, might as well try.--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round ~ 00:09, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, you'd think we'd get more people voting.   Why do I exist...?  13:31, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed.... Flashfire  Master of   Flames  07:40, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

We don't need any other admins or bureaucrats for the simple fact that the ones we have now don't do anything, because there is very little call for them. Stop handing out Admin positions like trinkets... -- Black Judgment of Guyviroth 17:48, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, ya never know what could go wrong on a wiki.... Better to have and not need, than to need and not have. I luv my friends :3  They gave me new hope!  17:50, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

When we already have 6 admins and 2 bureaucrats? If anything would happen and they couldn't handle it, then we'd need to REDO the roster, not ADD to it. -- Black Judgment of Guyviroth 17:52, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe, but not all of the admins or crats are always on, so they can't always be around to handle an issue. In fact, right this very moment there is currently only one admin on at the moment.--Kagi mizu -Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 18:06, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how many are on at a time, it all matters on how active they are. More to the point, any vandalism can be reverted by any member, so it's not even a case of "We need more admins", it's more of the case of "The existing admins need to do their job." And I can safely say that a very small portion of our members, and even our current admin roster, deserve the title of Admin. -- Black Judgment of Guyviroth 18:32, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Guy, admins are humans, with their own personal lives and personal issues that keep them from being on as much as they want to.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 03:31, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

GUYVIROTH'S NOMINATING FOR ADMIN!?

I'm afraid that, despite the message on my page, that will be one admin who gets no respect from me!Plunge into darkness, Pierce onto blackness, Perish unto Nothing. 03:47, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Then vote "No".--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 04:11, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I disagree. Our admins are hard-pressed, plus there's about an eight-hour gap when only one admin is online. Me. As such, I deal with IPs and vandals that come while all the rest of you are busy or asleep. Seriously, there can't be admins online all the time, and I do all the tasks that need to be done. Guy, if you want to start ANOTHER fight, may I remind you that you said you would stand down. TWICE. You only get two terms in office in the US, mate, so that's how we shall roll. Flashfire  Master of   Flames  06:06, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

I found a reason for me to be an admin, I stay up really late at night so I can keep a watch of vandal's at night when you (Flash) are not on ^_^  Zack ' the ' Cat  06:13, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Nero, I'm online for most of those eight hours, either due to homework keeping me on the computer, or because my computer is on for me to listen to music or something - I don't close off the Wiki. There's normally a 10-minute gap before everybody comes online, and I'm often on when YOU aren't. Still, it's a kind touch, but until the 'crats decide, I'm keeping my routine as it is. Flashfire  Master of   Flames  06:18, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

OK i'm just leaving option's ^_^  Zack ' the ' Cat  06:19, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think Mizu would make a good permamanent admin. Look hoq quickly and properly he responded to the situation! And how much he yearns to solve freind's problems, like I do.You shall fall, unworthy one. 01:02, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

I knew I probably wouldn't even get close for this, but why was my entry deleted? Gwen the Mousey! =3  Come play with me!  18:28, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Per protocol, we have about 10-11 admins. That's enough unless one leaves or is banned. Schoolbus13 How ya doin? 22:02, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, a crat who has all but left the wiki, a second crat who's only on to update his fanfics, a third crat who won't be on for who knows how long until his internet is back up, an admin who can only be on roughly 3 days a week, and another admin who's only on when the rest of us are fast asleep. Sure, we have 10 or so admins, but only about 3 of them are on at any given time, and even then that's not constant. Protocol can go out the f-ing window into a flaming ditch for all I care; this place needs more admins.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 22:10, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Still doesn't explain why mine got deleted and nobody else's. Gwen the Mousey! =3   Come play with me!  22:27, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Oh what a shock, Kag causing a scene. One minute it's "gotta do this by the book", the next minute is "Screw Protocol". I've got an idea Kag; shut the hell up unless you have something productive to say. Firstly, admins are not inclined to be on here 24/7 like you're trying to make out that they should be; we have our own things to do. Secondly, who cares if that admin (I presume it's me) is online when you're all having a good night sleep? Excuse me for being in a different country to you; I apologize if my waking hours somehow conflicts with your personal or wiki life. Thirdly... who cares how many admins are on at any given time? It doesn't take three admins to ban a vandal or to rollback their edits; a goddamn monkey could do it. Lastly, this is our protocal; if you don't like it, then sod off back to SNN. -- Black Judgment of Guyviroth 23:04, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

I am not making a scene, but there very well soon may be. I am merely stating that several admins, the number being the main reason more aren't promoted, are hardly ever on. And don't you dare try that hypocritical junk with me, because when you said that we had enough admins here, I said the very same thing to you: "admins are humans, with their own personal lives and personal issues that keep them from being on as much as they want to". And no, considering you had lost interest in and retired from SFW, are not the admin I was referring to; I was referring to Flash, who's on the opposite side of the world and more often than not has to spend his valuable time dealing with the number of vandals that are on at the same time as him, and when he's not on. As for what isn't and is protocol (a set number of admins certainly wasn't stated), I will take my right to happily say what I do and don't agree with, just as every other person does and is allowed to do so.

And as for my seeming fluctuating willingness to follow protocol, I have this to say; I go with whatever'll keep things as fair as possible, and the wiki as safe as possible. If protocol does as such, I will stand by it. But if protocol does not do this, or is even dentrimental to this, I will happily say to "screw it over". I hope that clarifies things for you.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 23:29, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

So if you agree with saying that our admins are humans and thus have their own thing to do, then why the hell are you berating them because they are not online or not as active as you want them to be? I think you're being the hypocritical one here. Oh, and as for protocal, the number of admins was made protocol when I made the suggestion, and the rest of the staff agreed on, actually, a maximum of 8 admins, but pushing it to 10 is not as bad seeing as we have more active members. And yeah, you can very well make a scene; just be prepared for the consequences that follows. Lastly... there has been no evidence of having little admins online that compromises the safety of this wiki. Your argument is flawed, does not hold water, and is void. Oh and, it's not your say on what we do with our protocol. Know your place. -- Black Judgment of Guyviroth 23:32, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not berating them, I'm stating the reasons they aren't on. Kit has virtually left the SFW, and even then is rarely on Xat. Twi, by his own admission, is only on to update MW, and is rarely on. Gen's internet was cut off, so lord knows when he'll be on to handle things for more than brief periods. The Users I just listed are our crats, who handle adminship duties and keep admins from going out of control. KP is mostly on the chat, rather than the wiki; SB is rarely on/makes his prescence known; Manta rarely takes part in adminship duties, so people forget or do not even know she is an admin; Shima is not able to be on constantly; you yourself have lost interest in and retired from the wiki (which brings to mind why you even care about this conversation); and finally, Flash is only on during the night, on his own, often dealing with multiple vandals, which even then he cannot always do due to school and/or personal reasons. I am not berating the admins and crats; I'm stating the reason(s) they are not on, in order to justify more admins being promoted. While average members can deal with the vandalism itself, there is a big difference between members and admins; admins are able to make the vandals stop. If admins are not on to deal with the vandals, average Users have to waste their time undoing vandalism again and again -while vandals are free to simply repeat themselves- rather than enjoying their Wikia experience. Also, I was never intending to make a scene; when I said that, i was referring to this debate becoming heated and getting more Users involved, creating a scene. As for saying what is done and isn't done with protocol; no that isn't my place. That place belongs to the wiki community, something SB himself agrees on. However, I am free to state my piece on the protocol and what-not, just as free as you are to state your piece on FC's and anything else on this wiki.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 23:54, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

I'll be discussing Twi's reasonings when he gets on Xat. But for the most part, there's a good reason why no one has done any administrative duties; it's because there is none to do. Vandals are scarcely seen, hackers are non-existant; there is nothing for admins to do; that's the reason why we capped it at 8. SB has done a great deal for this wiki; something that guarantees he will stay in power for time to come, but you wouldn't know of such a concept as "helping". I haven't lost interest in the wiki at all; I left because of all of the immaturity here, especially in regards to criticism. Considering I poured my heart and soul into this wiki, I won't be losing interest in it any time soon. But the point is, we don't need more admins, because there's nothing for our current admins to do. Let me put it into perspective for you; we have 10 admins, two are inactive, the rest only come on for brief periods of time, and how much trouble has this wiki come under recently? None. Absolutely nothing. You're trying to put forward a reasoning which doesn't even exist; you want to go from a few active admins handling nothing, to more admins handling nothing. And to try and stress the way this wiki rolls, this is not a democracy; never was and never will be. If the admins feel something should be changed, we will do it; we don't appreciate people like you slagging off our admins for not being active enough as to replace or appoint new admins, which to repeat again, we do not need. -- Black Judgment of Guyviroth 00:08, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

I repeat, for the third or fourth time, I am not berating/slagging off the admins. I'm saying that, due to their personal reasonings or issues, some of which they may not have any control over, they are not capable of being on often, allowing vandals to do their business freely. There indeed have been vandalizations around this wiki, and they will continue. I'm not saying that the admins won't do or aren't competent in doing their job; I'm saying that due to reasons that are out of their hands, they aren't capable of being on as often as possible. Most of the admins are friends of mine, so I know full-well and understand why they can't always be on; I'm not blaming them in the least. I'm saying that because they can't help nor control what hours they're on, we need admins who can be on during the times other admins are not on, such as Flash, who is on dealing with vandals when most others are asleep. Currently, nothing major is going on because admins have been on to handle vandalism and whatnot, but with school coming around, more admins may be needed. It's better to be prepared and end up dealing with nothing, than having to deal with something and not be prepared for it.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 00:42, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Both of you, really, stop it. Both of you are right and wrong. Most of the time I'm actually monitoring for vandals, and unlike what you were saying, Guy, we actually have been having a large amount of Troll issues, mostly IPs from Australia and parts of the US, both of which either SB or myself have been dealing with. However, SB isn't as offline as you might think, he comes on often enough. Ryu and Shima help when they can, but the vast majority of the work at night falls on me. Often, the users editing then might not need monitoring, such as Vamp, Flab, Hunter and Manta, but there are also a large amount of new uses and IP editors that I feel that I have to watch, as the Admin from Down Unda, I feel that it's my duty to pull my weight in the site. We don't need too many more admins, we need to demote the inactive ones and promote those with a desire to help. Mostly, I mean Kit there. I mean her no offense, she was our first bureaucrat, and one that remained (reasonably) well-respected amongst the more experienced users, but face it, each admin is preferred by different groups of users. Kit was a favorite for more experienced users. Ryu is loved by the RP groups. Twi is well known for his writing which uses characters from all through the wiki. I have the most menial group of fans, but also one of the most important - new users. Normally, I'm editing at times when either a lot of new users are, or when the Australian editor are, and so I'm in the position to help the most. Guy, I hate to say it, but you rarely seem to be online when I am, in fact, I would say that I, even though I go to bed at about 9.30 at night, cover about six hours of nothing major and a few where there is lots. Flashfire  Master of   Flames  06:06, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Nominations for Rollback
Although nominations for new Admins/Crats have been discontinued, would anyone object to there being future nominations for Rollbacks? IDT there are very many Users here with Rollback Privileges, so if anyone here thinks that we could continue holding nominations for new Rollbacks (at least for a while), then feel free to voice to me your opinions on this matter. Phoenix the Cat The flames reborn....  18:44, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

No objections here. Flashfire  Master of   Flames  06:15, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

No objection from me, I'm currently a rollback-admin hybrid. Schoolbus13 How ya doin? 20:08, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

We still need votes for Bureaucracy. -- Black Judgment of Guyviroth 23:32, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. In fact, we only have one active bureaucrat (WEST of the Intl. Date Line,) for a community of over 200 users......that is quite the problem. Schoolbus13 How ya doin? 22:19, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, we have how many crats? Three. How many are regularly active? One. Flashfire  Master of   Flames  05:16, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

The active community is more lik 80-85, while the truly active (last 2-3 days) ones are only about 50, most of them decent people.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 05:24, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Well, still, there's a fair bit to do, but having one 'crat and a whole bunch of admins is better than a small number of admins and no 'crats, as it was after the first Troll war and Evil's rise. Flashfire   Master of   Flames  05:45, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Schoolbus13
Well, I made a blog and asked people if they wanted Schoolbus to be a buraeucrat or not once we move. Eight votes yes with no objections. You can see here. Considering we only have one active bureaucrat (however Flash is a great 'crat) I think it would be best of we made Schoolbus one. You're mixing your truths with your theories 22:23, October 25, 2010 (UTC)