Thread:Wikikinetic/@comment-27032473-20190303052313/@comment-32712012-20190304101042

All right, let me go through the quotes' logic, explaining what I think Ominous is thinking and why I agree or disagree:
 * Quote 1: Ominous's logic goes like so:
 * Some people spend all their time being pointlessly cruel to everyone else. (I agree.)
 * Everyone is like this. (I disagree; I think some people are the opposite, and there's a whole spectrum in between. I can provide historical examples if necessary. But let's go on.)
 * People often don't realize what they've done until it's too late. (True, but Ominous gives some small percentage of people too much credit. Some people are just heartless and cruel.)
 * People often display favoritism towards their friends and family, justifying those peoples' cruel actions towards others. (Sometimes. Depends on the family or friends.)
 * Emotions can lead people to do bad things. (Sure. They can also allow people to do fabulously good things. It's not all bad.)
 * Therefore, because 1–5 are all true, I [Ominous] must change the entire state of existence in order to rectify this problem. (I disagree with most of his points, and I'd disagree with this conclusion anyway; pretty hard to justify wanting to change the whole world in my opinion.)
 * Quote 2: Ominous's logic goes like so:
 * We can't allow others to thoughtlessly hurt people and be impolite afterwards. (That's why laws and etiquette exist. You go too far with this train of thought and you'll get either an Orwellian dystopia or...what Ominous is about to get. Both are bad. But let's keep going.)
 * Everyone thoughtlessly hurts everyone else, therefore everyone is in the wrong. (I disagree; some people don't hurt others or rarely ever do if at all.)
 * People only hurt others because they themselves have been hurt, leading to a ratchet effect that will perpetuate pain forever. (I disagree; some people hurt others for no reason at all, while some get hurt and don't retaliate.)
 * (...I'm not even sure what conclusion Ominous gets from this one.)

Looks like I've proven myself wrong about his logic, as his logic is indeed fine. Furthermore, I can see how someone could get into their heads that all of these things are true. However, I disagree with Ominous on many points and think that he is simply wrong about the way that the world works; I completely reject his dystopian, cynical view of the world. Does that make sense?