Board Thread:Wiki Improvement/@comment-4748628-20150525013604/@comment-4029377-20150526071406

Phlegmatic-Yosuke wrote: Jaredthefox92 wrote: Gamedezyner wrote:

Shadow-Flare wrote: the idea's there but, as jared basically said, it seems far to easy to abuse it I actually trust the community we have here to not vote off things that aren't absurd or ridiculous. Everyone seems pretty defensive of creativity and I doubt they would all attack a sue-ish character just for that. I'm going to be blunt as well. From what I've seen by this community I would have to disagree with you, the Sonic fandom, as well as other fandoms are known for a sort of "social clique" mentality. While I do believe there are some old and ridiculous articles, (hotdog the hedgehog? Really?) I believe this is basically allowing admins who don't like someone else work for one reason or another to force it to a popular vote in which many admins will win basically by peer pressure. I agree with Smash that perhaps there should be that you either go after inactive articles or ask perhaps state what is wrong in the "quality" of said article so that the user may have time to mend the error. Stating specifically what the actual problem is, (and this has to be a majority problem, not just one the admin made up or has a pet peeve over) would perhaps give the author time to mend said article to where it is validated.

To basically call this or that article "crap" and force others to agree with you is bias, there should be a notification of what is wrong with the article and a grace period for the user to fix said article.Like Smash said it's the job of the admins to help people better their articles instead of enforcing a sort of admin sponsored "elitism" within the community. Yes there are some lazily made articles on this site that must be attend to, but keep in mind people might not have the time to update them in one sitting. Admins should serve the people, not the other way around. First of all, if someone makes a character like Hot Dog the Hedgehog ON PURPOSE, it would exempt if they have mentioned it to be a joke character. He was created specifically for entertainment value and nothing else.

You do raise a valid point about bias and such, I will give you that, but consider that if you have time to make an article that is less than three sentences and never complete it, why make that article? People should make their characters when they can devote the time and effort to do such.

It is not elitism, it is just his way of thinking. Honestly, the page is just a two-way conversation along with lists galore, and we don't even allow that anymore. That page should have been taken down in the first place for violating the rules.

EDIT: To further add on to my point, you should have more trust in all of the users of this Wikia. The majority are able to grasp common sense and act accordingly to situations, and are able to use evidence, wisdom, and their consciousness instead of running in and automatically saying "NO, IT'S BAD, BAN IT, EUGH".

Honestly, why are you complaining about this? Are you worried that your pages are going to be deleted or something?

I'm pretty sure joke characters would still have to follow the same standards as these "crap" characters as well.

I agree upon the sentence length, I'm talking about in terms of defining "quality" other than them just making less than the standard amount of sentences. It's more about the fact that the admins can basically pick and choose what they consider proper or inferior quality without a proper guide or standards to define said terms.

Um, sorry but that is what we call elitism, having a group of admins delete articles simply due to not fitting in with the status quo, even when they're following the per-determined set of rules is what I would call bias. Sorry, but not only the Sonic fandoms, but fandoms in general tend to fall into the social clique like communities.

What page or you referring to? I was simply stating this Hot Dog character as an example.

''"To further add on to my point, you should have more trust in all of the users of this Wikia"   Says who? I'm sorry but in my past experience when dealing with various members of this wikia, especially those who usually stay in the chat room and with the admins trust is one thing I won't afford to place upon them. Anyone who says "trust me, I'm in charge" obviously is untrustworthy.''  There is nothing in the rules that state I have to trust the current administration, simply that I follow the pre-set standards and policies that I've already have seen.

''The majority are able to grasp common sense and act accordingly to situations, and are able to use evidence, wisdom, and their consciousness instead of running in and automatically saying "NO, IT'S BAD, BAN IT, EUGH". ''You would be incorrect here, I have seen many instances of the majority being manipulated by the popular minority not only upon this wikia, but upon other fandom wikias, and fandom chat-rooms as well. While I do agree there are some people who do seek to simply restore order to this wikia I still feel validated in my belief this can end badly for many on this wikia. Oh,and you sound like you're really defensive just because I'm stating the reasoning behind my vote.

No, I've just seen this happen many a time on other wikis, chat rooms, and forums. When the minority in power asks you to give away your rights simply because they want you to "trust them" then there is an issue. I understand that there are some very badly made articles on here, however just using what the popular vote,(one that is fully susceptible to peer pressure I might add), combined with the authority of an admin who seeks to make their personal opinions on an article dictate it's fate is very close to the type of social clique elitism that not only plagues the Sonic fandom, but just about every other fandom on the internet as well.

Also I might add you seem to be taking my opiion based on my vote very defensively I might add. However I'm not here to start an argument, I'm simply standing up for the common member of this site.